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 Jan 9 2006, 01:43 PM
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Astronauts and Area 51: the Skylab Incident
--- Groom Lake, aka Area 51, is the Air Force's most sensitive installation, and one that the military has gone to great lengths to cloak in secrecy. Dwayne Day explains what happened when the crew of a Skylab mission took a photograph of the base from orbit. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/531/1 -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Feb 11 2006, 06:51 AM
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"Remember the 1969 film Marooned, based on the Martin Cadin novel - "
Note that there are 2 Martin Cadin novels by that name. The original Marooned, where an extended duration Mercury mission after Coopers' fails to retrofire, and the rescue attempt is split between an emergency premature flight of a Gemini and a maneuverable Vostok .... And the rewritten novel based on the movie, where a Skylab mission is stranded -- quite unbelievably -- in low orbit (they could have reentered on the RCS system, I believe). |
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Feb 11 2006, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 11 2006, 07:51 AM) "Remember the 1969 film Marooned, based on the Martin Cadin novel - " Note that there are 2 Martin Cadin novels by that name. The original Marooned, where an extended duration Mercury mission after Coopers' fails to retrofire, and the rescue attempt is split between an emergency premature flight of a Gemini and a maneuverable Vostok .... And the rewritten novel based on the movie, where a Skylab mission is stranded -- quite unbelievably -- in low orbit (they could have reentered on the RCS system, I believe).  Caidin always reckoned that 'Marooned' gave us ASTP in 1975 - it was just about the first US movie of the 'real space' genre to show the Soviets as the good guys (in 'Countdown' they were at best neutral). If the post-Cooper flight *had* flown it might have been Alan Shepard in Freedom 7-II who got the Pruett role, and it's a bit ironic if Deke Slayton finally got to fly into space as a result of a novel featuring a failed Mercury flight! As for Ironman One being able to re-enter using the RCS alone, yes - and perhaps even the CM could have de-orbited itself from that rather low orbit too, but the crew were so tired and unfit they'd probably have screwed up... The movie remains a favourite! It's available on DVD, now too... Bob Shaw -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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Feb 12 2006, 03:06 AM
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QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 11 2006, 11:57 AM) The movie remains a favourite! It's available on DVD, now too... It's also available in another "version" (as Space Travellers) if you look hard enough!  QUOTE "Orion 1, this is Ironman, how do you copy, over?" "On a Xerox machine, you?" -Crow
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"Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts!" Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test |
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Feb 13 2006, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE (lyford @ Feb 11 2006, 10:06 PM) It's also available in another "version" (as Space Travellers) if you look hard enough! Not one of MST3K's better efforts. Marooned was a good film. Not the greatest in the conventional film sense, but it was one of the few that showed real space exploration. They paid attention to orbital mechanics and resource supplies - that alone should get them points for a Hollywood film! -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Feb 13 2006, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 12 2006, 05:17 PM) Marooned was a good film. It was the only one they did that actually won an Oscar (for Visual Effects). I agree that they are at their best skewering cheesy 70's and 80's movies, with the occasional 50's space opera or Japanese monster movie. Skylab was perhaps the first victim of bloated shuttle program cost and schedule overruns, but as we see with the current budget issues, it certainly wasn't the last. -------------------- Lyford Rome
"Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts!" Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test |
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Feb 13 2006, 02:54 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
QUOTE (lyford @ Feb 12 2006, 08:41 PM) It was the only one they did that actually won an Oscar (for Visual Effects). I agree that they are at their best skewering cheesy 70's and 80's movies, with the occasional 50's space opera or Japanese monster movie. Skylab was perhaps the first victim of bloated shuttle program cost and schedule overruns, but as we see with the current budget issues, it certainly wasn't the last. Had we been able to keep Skylab in orbit for another decade or so, we might have learned a lot more about living in space and perhaps even found a way to keep the costs of the ISS (or whatever else would have come along in its place) down - and maybe even made it actually useful for science and getting beyond LEO! BTW, where are all the medical records of all the months and years that the cosmonauts spent aboard their Salyuts and Mir? Are they available? -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Jun 7 2006, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 12 2006, 10:54 PM) Had we been able to keep Skylab in orbit for another decade or so, we might have learned a lot more about living in space and perhaps even found a way to keep the costs of the ISS (or whatever else would have come along in its place) down - and maybe even made it actually useful for science and getting beyond LEO! BTW, where are all the medical records of all the months and years that the cosmonauts spent aboard their Salyuts and Mir? Are they available? The cosmosnauts never really followed the protocols and most of the Russian data is not usable |
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ljk4-1 Skylab Jan 9 2006, 01:43 PM
ljk4-1 This document got me to wondering:
http://ntrs.na... Jan 24 2006, 06:47 PM
Bob Shaw The ATM telescope package returned most of it... Jan 24 2006, 07:56 PM ljk4-1 Remember the 1969 film Marooned, based on the Mart... Feb 11 2006, 06:44 AM ljk4-1 QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 11 2006, 01:51 AM)... Feb 11 2006, 07:48 PM ljk4-1 Skylab EREP Investigations Summary (SP-399, 1978).... Jun 7 2006, 03:59 PM |
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