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Bill Harris
post Jan 20 2006, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jan 20 2006, 05:38 AM)
It was already said that those structures seen on previous hazcam pics (well, in all sort of cameras and filters...) were delicate.

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But what about these ones? It looks like the smallest touch could broke them.

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Good idea. That topic was "tired" and had the cord showing. smile.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Delicate, to be sure. One thing I've noticed is that the "ledge-forming" rocks are a layer and extend to the right and left of where we camped out. I wonder if that feature is related to the bluff at Mogollon Rim?

We need to check out the "mobile dust" at that site and see if there has been more movement during the stopover.
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post Feb 1 2006, 06:32 PM
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According to the latest rover article at the Planetary Society website, they still plan to take what will probably be a quick look at the Mogollon Rim:

http://www.planetary.org/news/2006/0131_Ma...ate_Spirit.html
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post Feb 1 2006, 09:15 PM
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looks like they finally decided to switch the priority to driving in order to seriously try to reach Victoria Crater smile.gif

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http://www.planetary.org/news/2006/0131_Ma...ate_Spirit.html

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It is a sobering indicator that they wont keep going and going forever. And that is an additional reason the team wants to try and get to Victoria Crater sooner rather than later.


I'm very happy with this descision because I have always felt that the fact that the life time of the rovers is so limited should be a reason in favour of a more long-distance-oriented driving strategy rather than against it.

Now, after exceeding mission 'warranty' by about 10 times, the time has come for a more bold, exploratory strategy: Now we can really afford the risk of possibly losing some Sols of additional routine observations by trying to dedicate more of the remaining Sols for the only task of driving: Imagine just 40 Sols of driving-only at a prudent 30 meters/Sol would be about sufficient to cover the remaining kilometer or so to Victoria ! actually this is less time than that has been spent parked at the Olympia site alone.

Switching priorities to long-distance-driving means that maybe they will even decide to completely stow the IDD again for the duration of the Victoria Trek... unstowing it only at Victoria or if really new discoveries pop up along the way...

Other promising quotes from the TPS article:

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the things we were hoping wed find at Mogollon we have found already at Olympia


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A balance is necessary, but our hoped-for drive strategy is a pretty aggressive one, and the team is very anxious to head southward at a brisk pace now to get to Victoria Crater.


The current Festoon-Studies are the very necessary and important conclusion
of the intensive Erebus-studies but after that it's time for exploring new horizons again

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post Feb 1 2006, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Nirgal @ Feb 1 2006, 03:15 PM)
looks like they finally decided to switch the priority to driving in order to seriously try to reach Victoria Crater smile.gif

The current Festoon-Studies are the very necessary and important conclusion
of the intensive Erebus-studies but after that it's time for exploring new horizons again
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Don't get too excited about the prospect of a rapid trip to Victoria just yet. As Squyres says, if they find something different and interesting at the Mogollon Rim they're not going to leave it behind unexamined.

My bet is it will be into March before they're done with Erebus completely.
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post Feb 2 2006, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (tacitus @ Feb 2 2006, 12:12 AM)
Don't get too excited about the prospect of a rapid trip to Victoria just yet.  As Squyres says, if they find something different and interesting at the Mogollon Rim they're not going to leave it behind unexamined.

My bet is it will be into March before they're done with Erebus completely.
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Yes D'Accord ! I, too think it's important to take all the time necessary to complete
the work at Erebus: may very well take another 4 weeks or so ...
What I'm looking forward too is that *after that* the Trip will go straight to Victoria
with prio one = driving and only stopping on really new discoveries smile.gif
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- Bill Harris   Going To Mogollon...   Jan 20 2006, 02:30 PM
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- - Tesheiner   An article at Space.com: http://www.space.com/mis...   Jan 21 2006, 06:10 PM
- - Sunspot   ..week or so?   Jan 21 2006, 07:40 PM
- - ilbasso   They didn't say which week.   Jan 22 2006, 05:16 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Well, that pretty much confirms that more MIs of t...   Jan 22 2006, 06:48 AM
- - Bill Harris   > I am really anxious to get to Mogollon, but i...   Jan 22 2006, 07:54 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jan 22 2006, 07:54 AM)We...   Jan 22 2006, 03:20 PM
- - Bill Harris   Foo. --Bill   Jan 22 2006, 06:30 PM
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