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Feb 5 2006, 06:46 PM
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Hope no one minds, but I felt we have to have a new topic, right from the start, as a compendium of all the Factual Observations on this incredible structure...this Mother Ship from another world...this...(who said Burgess Shale? I laughed at that at the time.
(I'll be running from game to Exploratorium all afternoon! -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM
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Now _that's_ what we like to see!
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/fo...55P1206R0M1.JPG My uneducated intuition makes me think the lower, thicker layers, which seem to have large grains (small pebbles?) embedded in them, are composed of volcanic ash rather than windblown (or water-washed) fine sediments. Of course intuition is reliably wrong... Question to the geologists: does rock formed from volcanic ash appear any different (to the instruments on Spirit) if the ash fell onto standing water, or onto dry land? Hmm, and I suppose if we imagine that there are repeated episodes of ash fall and periods under water, it will make a difference if the sediments between the water and the ash are water permeable? Clearly there's SOMETHING different between the lower, coarse layers and the higher fine layers. What else might it be? (this is a real question, not a rhetorical.) -------------------- --
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Feb 8 2006, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 8 2006, 10:58 AM) Now _that's_ what we like to see! http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/fo...55P1206R0M1.JPG My uneducated intuition makes me think the lower, thicker layers, which seem to have large grains (small pebbles?) embedded in them, are composed of volcanic ash rather than windblown (or water-washed) fine sediments. Of course intuition is reliably wrong... Question to the geologists: does rock formed from volcanic ash appear any different (to the instruments on Spirit) if the ash fell onto standing water, or onto dry land? Hmm, and I suppose if we imagine that there are repeated episodes of ash fall and periods under water, it will make a difference if the sediments between the water and the ash are water permeable? Clearly there's SOMETHING different between the lower, coarse layers and the higher fine layers. What else might it be? (this is a real question, not a rhetorical.) Aha! But here it is! http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/mi...55P2936M2M1.JPG And what , pray tell, is it? If it's sandstone, I don't see any grains . If it's scoria, I don't see any gas spaces . If threatened with torture, if I don't talk, I would quote a Past Maestro of Home Plate" It's deja vu all over again! It's the kind of fabric Oppy has been sinking her abrasive into all over Meridiani! Smooth-lumpy STUFF! But a geologist would phrase it more ...esoterically. -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Feb 8 2006, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 8 2006, 11:03 PM) Aha! But here it is! http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/mi...55P2936M2M1.JPG And what , pray tell, is it? If it's sandstone, I don't see any grains . If it's scoria, I don't see any gas spaces . "Well... it's rock, isn't it?" /Arthur Dent Actually the blueberry-esque concave dimples in the lower, whitish (in that image) material has brought the word 'slots' floating up from some dusty recess of the distant past, 18 months or more ago. And really the darker, upper material *does* seem (to me) to be made up of sand-grains sized particles. As it happens there's an outside wall made of very soft grey-green sandstone about three feet <-- that way from my monitor that looks very like the farker material. it feels sandy if you rub your thumb over it, and there's a small heap of sand grains that have eroded out of it accumulating in tiny wind traps in the corners of wall and ground. It's a terrible building material - it weathers so fast that old older buildings in the area, there's a characteristic 'gumline' vertical profile - sort of a ' UUUUU ' shape, rotated through 90 degrees - where the mortar holding the wall together has withstood wind erosion more strongly than the building stone itself. Co-incidentally it looks a bit like the harder, then layers standing up proud of the adjacent layers, especially in the coarser-grained , thicker layers. Anyway... I'm still boggling over the image of Homeplate being flipped over like a pancake by an impact event -------------------- --
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Shaka Home, Sweet Home Feb 5 2006, 06:46 PM
Shaka O.K. We're there, and we might as well start a... Feb 5 2006, 09:44 PM
Burmese Ok, the 'Going to Home Plate' thread is ge... Feb 6 2006, 07:02 PM
Mongo We already have a new thread about the arrival at ... Feb 6 2006, 07:12 PM
Burmese Oops, sorry, didn't spot that one! Feb 6 2006, 07:14 PM
mhoward Check out the view out "to sea", as it w... Feb 6 2006, 07:15 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 6 2006, 07:15 PM)althoug... Feb 7 2006, 04:08 PM
Burmese And the atmosphere is clearing a bit, I think! Feb 6 2006, 07:25 PM
gpurcell The granular lower level intrigues me. Could be a... Feb 6 2006, 07:44 PM
Shaka QUOTE (gpurcell @ Feb 6 2006, 09:44 AM)The gr... Feb 6 2006, 08:34 PM
Bill Harris Just off the top of my head: the reason Spirit nee... Feb 6 2006, 09:15 PM
vikingmars I hope we will have some time also to climb on top... Feb 6 2006, 09:21 PM
Nirgal hand-colorized Sol 744 "Home Plate" pano... Feb 6 2006, 10:46 PM

mars loon QUOTE (Nirgal @ Feb 6 2006, 10:46 PM)hand-col... Feb 6 2006, 11:04 PM

Steve QUOTE (mars loon @ Feb 6 2006, 11:04 PM)Bernh... Feb 6 2006, 11:17 PM
mars loon QUOTE (vikingmars @ Feb 6 2006, 09:21 PM) I h... Feb 6 2006, 11:16 PM
RNeuhaus I look forward in hearing from JPL's activity ... Feb 7 2006, 01:40 AM
Sunspot They need to put the MI on the rock in the top lef... Feb 7 2006, 01:52 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 6 2006, 08:52 PM)They ne... Feb 7 2006, 01:58 AM
Bill Harris QUOTE The shards of shattered rock need not indica... Feb 7 2006, 01:55 AM
Shaka QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 6 2006, 03:55 PM)The... Feb 7 2006, 03:22 AM
Sunspot Yep...thats the one. Also Spirit would be in a gr... Feb 7 2006, 02:05 AM
Shaka QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 6 2006, 04:05 PM)Yep...t... Feb 7 2006, 02:56 AM
ddeerrff QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 6 2006, 08:52 PM)They ne... Feb 7 2006, 02:59 AM
Shaka QUOTE (ddeerrff @ Feb 6 2006, 04:59 PM)You me... Feb 7 2006, 03:25 AM
ilbasso That "laminated fallen rock" almost look... Feb 7 2006, 03:00 AM
Richard Trigaux Hi all,
there was recently another thread Home Pl... Feb 7 2006, 08:29 AM
Bill Harris Richard--
I'm witholding judgement until we k... Feb 7 2006, 10:12 AM
dilo Really sweet!
It seems drivers are very, very ... Feb 7 2006, 08:20 PM

Shaka QUOTE (dilo @ Feb 7 2006, 10:20 AM)Really swe... Feb 7 2006, 08:35 PM

dilo QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 7 2006, 08:35 PM) Is... Feb 7 2006, 08:54 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (dilo @ Feb 7 2006, 08:54 PM)Look at th... Feb 7 2006, 09:09 PM

Zeke4ther QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 7 2006, 05:09 PM... Feb 8 2006, 04:45 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 7 2006, 10:12 AM)Ric... Feb 7 2006, 08:56 PM
Burmese Does this image show Bonneville in the upper left?... Feb 7 2006, 03:43 PM
SigurRosFan I mean no, Bonneville is rather behind the rocky h... Feb 7 2006, 04:05 PM
Burmese A run, a short followup bump, set the wheels, and ... Feb 7 2006, 08:00 PM
jabe QUOTE (Burmese @ Feb 7 2006, 08:00 PM)http://... Feb 7 2006, 08:05 PM
Bill Harris I just regained my power of speech and I'm aga... Feb 7 2006, 08:03 PM
mhoward This is the view looking 45 degrees down directly ... Feb 7 2006, 08:07 PM
odave ...best parking job I've seen since Elwood swu... Feb 7 2006, 08:11 PM
Tman The last pictures show so many layers in the Plate... Feb 7 2006, 08:13 PM
mhoward Here's a wide view and a "top" view. Feb 7 2006, 08:25 PM
jvandriel Here is the view of Homeplate on Sol 744.
Taken w... Feb 7 2006, 08:39 PM
jvandriel and here Spirit looking back on Sol 745.
Taken wi... Feb 7 2006, 08:40 PM
mhoward Good grief - imagine what the Pancams will look li... Feb 7 2006, 08:41 PM
Nirgal QUOTE (mhoward @ Feb 7 2006, 10:41 PM)Good gr... Feb 7 2006, 08:46 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Nirgal @ Feb 7 2006, 10:46 AM)latest L... Feb 7 2006, 11:29 PM
djellison QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 7 2006, 11:29 PM)Rats, no ... Feb 8 2006, 08:17 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes Terrific pictures, abalone! Thanks.
QUOTE (d... Feb 8 2006, 06:05 PM
mhoward Nice, Nirgal! Fast work, too; I'm pretty s... Feb 7 2006, 08:54 PM
djellison They wont climb to the top here ( infact, they... Feb 7 2006, 08:55 PM
Ames Looks like a good angle to catch some rays and rec... Feb 7 2006, 09:01 PM
jvandriel Here is the view from Sol 744 into the drive direc... Feb 7 2006, 09:04 PM
SigurRosFan Here's a new rover view ...
Today's (Sol ... Feb 7 2006, 09:14 PM
dilo QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Feb 7 2006, 09:14 PM)Her... Feb 7 2006, 09:39 PM
mars loon Are there estimates on how high is HP above the su... Feb 7 2006, 11:12 PM
dilo QUOTE (mars loon @ Feb 7 2006, 11:12 PM)Are t... Feb 7 2006, 11:30 PM
Burmese http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/na...55P19... Feb 7 2006, 09:19 PM
Richard Trigaux I must say that there is a tremendous work made to... Feb 7 2006, 09:23 PM
djellison two threads merged Feb 7 2006, 09:24 PM
Bill Harris QUOTE Are we looking at the bottom of this layered... Feb 7 2006, 11:18 PM
abalone Wow!! Feb 8 2006, 07:58 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (abalone @ Feb 8 2006, 08:58 AM)Wow... Feb 8 2006, 09:32 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 8 2006, 09:32 AM)Indeed... Feb 8 2006, 07:34 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (abalone @ Feb 8 2006, 01:58 AM)Wow... Feb 8 2006, 03:17 PM
Tesheiner A combination of two panoramas.
Oppy at Home Plate... Feb 8 2006, 09:22 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Feb 8 2006, 04:22 AM)A com... Feb 8 2006, 04:01 PM
abalone Hazcam view Feb 8 2006, 10:28 AM
Bill Harris QUOTE Oppy at Home Plate on top, and Spirit at Bur... Feb 8 2006, 11:25 AM
djellison It does strongly remind me of Burns Cliff - the mi... Feb 8 2006, 11:30 AM
dvandorn There are obviously two different lithologies goin... Feb 8 2006, 04:29 PM
Steve QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 04:29 PM)There ... Feb 8 2006, 05:16 PM
Chmee QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 12:29 PM)I keep... Feb 8 2006, 05:36 PM
Tman QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 05:29 PM)I keep... Feb 8 2006, 07:07 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Tman @ Feb 8 2006, 02:07 PM)If it... Feb 8 2006, 07:22 PM
Bill Harris And the "dark layered rock", may be the ... Feb 8 2006, 05:40 PM
djellison I don't think it needs to - I think this rock ... Feb 8 2006, 06:54 PM
Shaka Setting aside PM for now (we need to see it closer... Feb 8 2006, 07:41 PM
aldo12xu I think we're looking at strata that has been ... Feb 8 2006, 08:13 PM
Nirgal Here is a color-stitch of the great Sol 746 navcam... Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (aldo12xu @ Feb 8 2006, 03:13 PM)I thin... Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM
aldo12xu QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 8 2006, 08:58 PM)I t... Feb 8 2006, 10:54 PM

Shaka QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 8 2006, 01:39 PM)"We... Feb 9 2006, 03:07 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (Shaka @ Feb 8 2006, 05:03 PM)Aha! ... Feb 9 2006, 01:47 AM
DFinfrock QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 9 2006, 01:47 AM)I know... Feb 9 2006, 02:14 AM
alan How about some color?
Feb 8 2006, 11:26 PM
jamescanvin I haven't seen these two Pancam ESF's stit... Feb 9 2006, 02:11 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Feb 8 2006, 09:11 PM)
A... Feb 9 2006, 03:08 AM
DFinfrock QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Feb 9 2006, 03:08 AM)Anyone... Feb 9 2006, 04:32 AM
Bill Harris This is a fine-grained indurated rock, and until w... Feb 9 2006, 03:04 AM
glennwsmith Posts have been added so rapidly here that I may s... Feb 9 2006, 05:43 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (glennwsmith @ Feb 9 2006, 05:43 AM)Pos... Feb 9 2006, 07:53 AM
glennwsmith P.S. Any Teilhard de Chardin fans out there? Feb 9 2006, 05:46 AM
deglr6328 How come a few miniTES samples haven't been ta... Feb 9 2006, 06:11 AM
jamescanvin This looks good
CODE748 p2271.05 72 0 ... Feb 9 2006, 06:12 AM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 8 2006, 09:04 PM)Thi... Feb 9 2006, 06:37 AM![]() ![]() |
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