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Feb 14 2006, 06:27 PM
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The Planetary Society has issued a call to action, for people to contact House Science Committee Chairman Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) to demand that NASA not cut their 2006 spending on science priorities like Europa before their 2007 budget has even taken effect; and to demand that they reconsider their priorities in the 2007 budget. Go to our Space Advocacy page for more on how to participate in this campaign. Please participate!
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Feb 16 2006, 04:19 AM
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All the complaints about shuttles taking money from space science and grumbles about how there would be more for science if only Griffin would retire a shuttle strike me as naive. NASA's new mandate to send people to the Moon & Mars is also consuming money. Why not cut that back instead, or delay its schedule?
The real problem is that NASA is underfunded for what it wants/needs/has to be able to do. The shortage of money for space science is merely a symptom of that. These sort of shortages are not new and the present shortages are not likely to be the last. (Indeed, I cannot help thinking that this present situation is partly an inevitable consequence of the generous tax cuts Bush persuaded Congress to make a few years back. If you cut back the amount of money a government has available to spend then inevitably there will be less in the kitty to spend.) What we should be hearing are calls for NASA to be given more money in general. Trying to take money from one NASA pot to give to another is merely a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Manned moon missions and manned Mars missions are going to be even more expensive even if the CEV itself is cheaper than the shuttle. What happens a decade from now when inevitably the budget cutters strike again? The shuttle will no longer be around to act as whipping boy. Will we instead be hearing calls from this board for fewer manned missions to the moon and/or delays in the manned Mars program, not to mention complaints about what a bottomless pit the CEV is and how we ought to have less of them to free up funding so they can start planning for that nice Triton orbiter everyone is talking about? ====== Stephen |
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Feb 16 2006, 06:03 AM
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...What we should be hearing are calls for NASA to be given more money in general. Trying to take money from one NASA pot to give to another is merely a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul... To give him credit, that's exactly what Griffin tried to do last year. In an appearance before a Congressional committee, he said that he cannot accomplish everything on NASA's plate without significant funding increases. I'm assuming that the White House changed the message they gave to Griffin, at first telling him that VSE would get the political support to get funded independently of the unmanned side. But the new Bush budget proposal shows that the White House hasn't kept its word -- instead of providing the ramp-up funding levels needed to begin the VSE development, Griffin is now being told to do exactly what he told Congress last year he cannot do: maintain both sides of the house, with the necessarily rising VSE development costs, on a fixed budget. I would have to think that, if Griffin was telling that to Congress, he was also telling it to the White House. So, all I can say is, it ain't Griffin's fault he had to change his tune. Let's all hope Congress can bring themselves to give NASA the money it needs to accomplish *everything* it's been tasked to do. In spite of the Administration's inability to try and do so. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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elakdawalla Science Eviscerated In NASA Budget Feb 14 2006, 06:27 PM
Jeff7 Done. I redid most of the letter before sending it... Feb 14 2006, 07:53 PM
djellison What's TPS's advice for non-American-tax-p... Feb 14 2006, 09:54 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 14 2006, 01:54 PM)... Feb 15 2006, 12:55 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 15 2006, 12:55 A... Feb 15 2006, 01:59 AM
MahFL Message sent from this US Tax payer. Feb 15 2006, 02:25 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 14 2006, 05:59... Feb 15 2006, 11:30 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 15 2006, 11:30 P... Feb 15 2006, 11:42 PM
dvandorn And also from this one.
Of course, I edited the p... Feb 15 2006, 02:58 AM
MahFL I would not worry about spelling, it's well kn... Feb 15 2006, 04:30 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (MahFL @ Feb 15 2006, 04:30 PM) I w... Feb 15 2006, 04:52 PM
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ljk4-1 From Bob Park's latest What's New newslett... Feb 17 2006, 09:30 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Stephen @ Feb 15 2006, 08:19 PM) M... Feb 18 2006, 01:03 AM
Redstone There is a good summary of the overall NASA budget... Feb 16 2006, 05:02 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, I won't. There are, lest we forget, lot... Feb 16 2006, 08:43 AM
Stephen QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 16 2006, 08:43 A... Feb 17 2006, 08:30 AM
BruceMoomaw The fact that Shuttle and ISS are so big that Cong... Feb 19 2006, 05:28 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 18 2006, 10:28 P... Feb 19 2006, 06:19 AM
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ht... Mar 27 2006, 05:56 PM
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Dawn has be... Mar 27 2006, 10:08 PM
Jeff7 What of any plans for Europa missions? Are they in... Mar 28 2006, 01:38 AM
mars loon QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Mar 28 2006, 01:38 AM) Wha... Mar 29 2006, 01:00 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Mar 28 2006, 01:38 AM) Wha... Mar 29 2006, 01:19 AM
AlexBlackwell It's the Earth, Stupid
NASA's new budget b... Mar 29 2006, 06:42 PM
BruceMoomaw Easterbrook was singing a similar tune back in his... Mar 29 2006, 06:56 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 29 2006, 06:56 P... Mar 29 2006, 08:47 PM
BruceMoomaw It's easy to jump on his factual errors (no un... Mar 31 2006, 06:58 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 30 2006, 10:58 P... Mar 31 2006, 07:21 AM
BruceMoomaw I've always heard that satellites are absolute... Mar 31 2006, 07:53 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 30 2006, 11:53 P... Mar 31 2006, 04:30 PM
remcook ..and don't forget by far the largest part of ... Mar 31 2006, 01:38 PM
tty QUOTE (remcook @ Mar 31 2006, 03:38 PM) .... Mar 31 2006, 05:09 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, there are certainly enough smaller satellite... Mar 31 2006, 08:16 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (Space.com)NASA's investment in enabling... Apr 3 2006, 02:00 PM
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BruceMoomaw Odd disparity: In a Feb. 13 article ("Time to... Apr 21 2006, 01:37 PM
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Bob Shaw Bruce:
Look on the bright side - the MEPAG folk t... Apr 25 2006, 03:08 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 25 2006, 03:08 PM) ... Apr 26 2006, 12:28 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 25 2006, 05:28 P... Apr 26 2006, 03:42 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Apr 26 2006, 04:42 P... Apr 26 2006, 08:42 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Apr 26 2006, 08:42 A... Apr 26 2006, 11:20 PM
Analyst QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 21 2006, 01:37 P... Apr 25 2006, 03:33 PM
The Messenger http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.nl.html?pid=20... Apr 26 2006, 05:22 PM
Mariner9 I will agree that some missions just cry out for F... Apr 26 2006, 06:49 PM
Stephen QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Apr 26 2006, 06:49 PM) ... Apr 27 2006, 11:13 AM
Bob Shaw Stephen:
In another thread I suggested that unman... Apr 27 2006, 08:08 PM
Stephen QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 27 2006, 08:08 PM) ... Apr 28 2006, 03:05 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Stephen @ Apr 27 2006, 11:05 PM) I... Apr 28 2006, 01:17 PM
BruceMoomaw I wondered if this might set Keithy howling again.... Apr 27 2006, 12:30 AM
Analyst QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Apr 26 2006, 06:49 PM) ... Apr 27 2006, 06:49 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Analyst @ Apr 26 2006, 11:49 PM) [... Apr 28 2006, 03:42 AM
BruceMoomaw It would be more accurate to say that missions des... Apr 27 2006, 10:29 AM
gpurcell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 27 2006, 10:29 A... Apr 28 2006, 05:55 PM
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BruceMoomaw The figure I have is 5-10 pictures per orbit. (I... Apr 28 2006, 08:50 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 28 2006, 01:50 A... Apr 28 2006, 01:50 PM
PhilHorzempa QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 28 2006, 04:50 A... May 3 2006, 03:07 AM
ljk4-1 NASA NEWS
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dvandorn Getting back to the original topic of this thread,... May 2 2006, 08:38 PM
Stephen QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 2 2006, 08:38 PM) S... May 3 2006, 02:27 AM
ljk4-1 NASA Lacks Resources Needed to Sustain Vigorous Sc... May 4 2006, 03:43 PM
PhilHorzempa QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 4 2006, 11:43 AM... May 17 2006, 02:55 AM
BruceMoomaw The "guy named Shelby" is Senator from A... May 5 2006, 07:19 AM
Stephen QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 5 2006, 07:19 AM... May 9 2006, 09:39 AM
BruceMoomaw Entirely correct. I hope to God no one thinks I... May 13 2006, 06:45 AM
gpurcell Just remember that the Senate is called the ... May 17 2006, 02:59 AM
dvandorn One more time....
The issue is *not* whether to p... May 17 2006, 10:15 AM
Bob Shaw oDoug:
Oh, I dunno - I'm sure that Mr Rutan w... May 17 2006, 11:08 AM
PhilHorzempa QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 17 2006, 06:15 AM) ... May 18 2006, 01:54 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ May 17 2006, 08:54 ... May 18 2006, 02:15 AM
Bob Shaw oDoug:
The historical 'stop-start' fundin... Jun 9 2006, 10:12 PM
dvandorn Mr. Rutan is twenty *or more* years away from fiel... May 17 2006, 11:27 AM
ljk4-1 http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11644.html
An Assessme... Jun 9 2006, 09:13 PM
GravityWaves Mike Griffin on the NASA budget
http://www.nature... Jun 10 2006, 10:50 PM
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