The Last 10 Days In The Space Shuttle's Bunker?, Atlantis apparently to be scrapped in 2008 |
The Last 10 Days In The Space Shuttle's Bunker?, Atlantis apparently to be scrapped in 2008 |
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Feb 21 2006, 03:05 AM
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http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20060...lantis_spa.html :
"Under orders to retire the shuttle fleet by 2010, NASA plans to cancel shuttle Atlantis' next scheduled overhaul and mothball the ship in 2008. "Rather than becoming a museum piece, however, Atlantis will serve as a spare parts donor for sister ships Discovery and Endeavour to complete assembly of the International Space Station. " 'People are already calling us and asking us can they display one of our orbiters in their museum after we're done. I'm not giving anybody anything until we're all agreed the station is complete and the shuttles' job is done,' shuttle program manager Wayne Hale told Kennedy Space Center employees during a televised address on Friday. " 'We're going to keep (Atlantis) in as near flight-ready condition as we can without putting it through a (modification and overhaul) so we can use those parts,' Hale said. ____________________ Jeffrey Bell has recently finished a piece for "SpaceDaily" proclaiming that the wholesale cancellation of other NASA projects in the FY 2007 budget to keep Shuttle and ISS going is actually just part of Michael Griffin's Machiavellian strategy to get both of the cancelled, by making it clear that they can be saved now only at the cost of a swarm of other projects (including Bush's lunar program) which are now more popular. Certainly that is the overwhelming message being conveyed, whether Griffin planned it that way or not -- I haven't seen a single newspaper editorial yet that favors retaining Shuttle at this point. (Bell also claims to see other, subtler evidence of this strategy in Griffin's moves over the last few weeks -- and also signs that he definitely plans to throw ISS from the train as well, by just giving it to the Russians half-finished in a few years and paying off the ESA and Japan for their unlaunched space lab modules. These include the fact that he's cancelled work on the unmanned cargo variant of the Crew Exploration Vehicle that will be necessary to take up replacement Control Moment Gyros to the ISS after the Shuttle is no longer available.) |
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| Guest_BruceMoomaw_* |
Mar 21 2006, 04:45 AM
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Jeff Bell has for some time been confidently predicting that Mike Griffin (who undeniably hates the Shuttle personally) will soon execute a Machiavellian scheme to get rid of it -- which will have to be done one step at a time in order to whittle away gradually at its political support (and to give all those Congressmen who made fools of themselves by funding it for decades better political cover to get rid of it gradually and quietly).
I don't know how accurate he is in saying that Griffin CAN do this; but yesterday another of the predictions he made to me some time ago came to pass. NASA, which had already announced that the Shuttle's main engine will not be used after all on the second stage of the small CEV launcher (a new version of the Saturn 5's J-2 engine will be used instead), is now saying that SSMEs may very well not be used on the first stage of the big Heavy Lift Booster either -- they may be replaced by the same RS-68 engines used on the first stage of Delta 4, since those are designed to be expendable and are thus cheaper to manufacture than the reusable SSMEs (which would never actually have been reused on either the HLV or the CEV launcher): http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_060320.html This would, of course, allow a shutdown very soon of the production line for the Shuttle's SSMEs. But the article says that there are some genuine technical stumbling blocks -- and Bell himself says that one reason for the RS-68's low cost is that most of its parts are currently being made by Russian workers who are as atrociously underpaid for their skills as the inhabitants of Termite Terrace were during the golden age of Warner Brothers cartoons. |
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BruceMoomaw The Last 10 Days In The Space Shuttle's Bunker? Feb 21 2006, 03:05 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 21 2006, 04:05 A... Feb 21 2006, 05:49 AM
djellison One of Maggie Thatchers few highlights - not invol... Feb 21 2006, 08:17 AM
BruceMoomaw "I still maintain that the US HAS to complete... Feb 21 2006, 09:24 AM
djellison QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 21 2006, 09:24 A... Feb 21 2006, 09:47 AM
edstrick One big lesson of the post-Columbia "test... Feb 21 2006, 11:15 AM
Richard Trigaux Without entering into the "gordian-knot mess... Feb 21 2006, 03:15 PM
PhilCo126 As we already mentioned in the 2nd BIS book on the... Feb 21 2006, 03:58 PM
MahFL Its going to take much much longer than anyone thi... Feb 21 2006, 05:23 PM
Richard Trigaux When I think back twenty years ago, when the shutt... Feb 21 2006, 05:34 PM
dilo QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 21 2006, 06... Feb 21 2006, 09:33 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 21 2006, 05... Feb 21 2006, 10:32 PM
dilo QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 21 2006, 11:32 PM) ... Feb 22 2006, 08:46 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (dilo @ Feb 22 2006, 08:46 AM) Perh... Feb 22 2006, 10:55 PM
dilo QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 22 2006, 11:55 PM) ... Feb 23 2006, 07:12 AM
BruceMoomaw While I will agree that it's insane (even give... Feb 22 2006, 01:19 AM
gpurcell Look, the simplest explanation for the official an... Feb 22 2006, 07:01 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (gpurcell @ Feb 22 2006, 08:01 AM) ... Feb 22 2006, 07:47 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Feb 22 2006, 12... Feb 23 2006, 05:44 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (The Messenger @ Feb 23 2006, 12:44... Feb 23 2006, 05:53 PM
edstrick We have to remember that the IDEA of a space shutt... Feb 22 2006, 08:57 AM
PhilCo126 After 25 years of Space Transportation System (STS... Feb 22 2006, 09:45 AM
BruceMoomaw An excellent case can be made that the basic conce... Feb 22 2006, 11:21 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 22 2006, 03:21 A... Feb 22 2006, 04:03 PM
dvandorn And you can add to Truax's comments the commen... Feb 22 2006, 03:43 PM
Bill Harris It will be an endless debate of whether or not the... Feb 22 2006, 05:24 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 22 2006, 04:03 PM... Feb 23 2006, 01:00 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 22 2006, 05:00 P... Feb 23 2006, 03:47 AM
BruceMoomaw You can find an overall summary of Thompson's ... Feb 23 2006, 01:17 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 22 2006, 03:43 PM) ... Feb 23 2006, 01:29 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 23 2006, 01:29 A... Feb 23 2006, 01:38 AM
lyford QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 22 2006, 05:38... Feb 23 2006, 02:06 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 23 2006, 03:47 AM... Feb 23 2006, 04:37 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 23 2006, 04:37 A... Feb 23 2006, 04:12 PM
hugh I wouldn’t have called Bruce’s posts a “rant”. I d... Feb 25 2006, 07:03 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 22 2006, 03:43 PM) ... Feb 23 2006, 04:52 AM
Stephen QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 23 2006, 04:52 A... Feb 23 2006, 10:33 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 23 2006, 04:12... Feb 24 2006, 01:55 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 01:55 A... Feb 24 2006, 02:08 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 23 2006, 08:55 P... Feb 24 2006, 03:21 AM
BruceMoomaw You've just said yourself that American politi... Feb 24 2006, 03:17 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 03:17 A... Feb 24 2006, 04:20 PM
dvandorn Watch it, Rodolfo -- if you worked for NASA, this ... Feb 24 2006, 04:21 AM
BruceMoomaw If I may make a smart-alecky crack, the world has ... Feb 24 2006, 04:02 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 05:02 P... Feb 24 2006, 05:25 PM
djellison So what you're saying is that NASA should be d... Feb 24 2006, 04:11 PM
djellison We all know that Bruce is just someone who has to ... Feb 24 2006, 05:00 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 24 2006, 05:00 PM)... Feb 24 2006, 05:08 PM
djellison You have to be stern and strict with him or he won... Feb 24 2006, 05:22 PM
BruceMoomaw At the risk of getting thrown out of this group by... Feb 24 2006, 07:31 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 07:31 P... Feb 24 2006, 08:09 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 24 2006, 05:00 PM)... Feb 24 2006, 08:03 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 24 2006, 04:11 PM)... Feb 24 2006, 08:13 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 08:13 P... Feb 24 2006, 08:22 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 24 2006, 08:09... Feb 24 2006, 08:27 PM
AlexBlackwell I'll leave you with the last word in our debat... Feb 24 2006, 08:42 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 08:03 P... Feb 24 2006, 08:54 PM
djellison QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 08:54 P... Feb 24 2006, 09:59 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 24 2006, 08:54 P... Mar 18 2006, 12:50 AM
David I don't see why the U.S./Soviet space race was... Feb 24 2006, 11:21 PM
dvandorn Well, Bruce, since *no* country on Earth has ever ... Feb 25 2006, 02:01 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 24 2006, 09:59 PM)... Feb 25 2006, 02:23 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 25 2006, 02:01 AM) ... Feb 25 2006, 02:58 AM
David QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 25 2006, 02:58 A... Feb 25 2006, 03:46 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (David @ Feb 24 2006, 09:46 PM) Is ... Feb 25 2006, 04:39 AM
Richard Trigaux About the motives of exploration (Earth exploratio... Feb 25 2006, 06:39 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, I guess I'll have to stay "provocat... Feb 25 2006, 11:47 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 25 2006, 11:47 P... Feb 26 2006, 12:21 AM

David QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 26 2006, 12:21 AM) ... Feb 26 2006, 03:06 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (David @ Feb 26 2006, 04:06 AM) My ... Feb 26 2006, 07:55 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 25 2006, 03:47 P... Feb 26 2006, 03:56 AM
lyford I appreciate the range of opinionated opinions exp... Feb 26 2006, 01:47 AM
djellison QUOTE (lyford @ Feb 26 2006, 01:47 AM) PS... Feb 26 2006, 09:41 AM
lyford QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 26 2006, 01:41 AM)... Feb 26 2006, 04:57 PM
mchan QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 26 2006, 01:41 AM)... Feb 27 2006, 07:09 AM
helvick QUOTE (mchan @ Feb 27 2006, 07:09 AM) I u... Feb 27 2006, 06:13 PM
BruceMoomaw I think the trouble stems from the fact that E-mai... Feb 26 2006, 10:42 AM
djellison Bingo.
Doug Feb 26 2006, 04:59 PM
Richard Trigaux Doug,
I would like to back mchan's last post,... Feb 27 2006, 08:36 AM
djellison The discussions about ID or SETI may be civil and ... Feb 27 2006, 08:39 PM
BruceMoomaw OK, acceptable. I can always go rant elsewhere...... Mar 1 2006, 11:53 PM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, I saw that, and was cranking up to comment o... Mar 18 2006, 03:45 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 20 2006, 09:45 P... Mar 21 2006, 09:08 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, my God, that's because at this point the... Mar 21 2006, 10:41 PM![]() ![]() |
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