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post Feb 24 2006, 09:12 PM
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Excerpt from Cassini Significant Events for 02/16/06 - 02/22/06:

"As mentioned in previous weeks, the project has been working on adopting a new reference trajectory in order to raise the minimum Titan flyby altitude for various encounters. Today the project reached a decision to proceed with the 'optocc2' trajectory. Additional work is still to be performed before delivery of the final files. This will include minor tweaks that have been analyzed in other trajectories, adjusting orbit 68 timing, and capture of an Enceladus plume occultation on orbit 28."

For the record, the new reference trajectory will result in an even more spectacular Enceladus-3 flyby [61EN (t) E3] on March 12, 2008.
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post Mar 10 2006, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 03:52 PM) *
Looks like you missed my sarcasm. A better description would be "blindlingly obvious."


Oh, I got it. My whole point was that Spilker's group didn't seem to realize that this provided another good reason to orient the piggyback lander on EO toward engineering rather than scientific measurements until Karla Clark and I mentioned it. It hadn't been "blindingly obvious" to them -- or rather the political implications of a last-second EAL failure hadn't been blindingly obvious to them.
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post Mar 10 2006, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 10 2006, 07:24 PM) *
Oh, I got it. My whole point was that Spilker's group didn't seem to realize that this provided another good reason to orient the piggyback lander on EO toward engineering rather than scientific measurements until Karla Clark and I mentioned it. It hadn't been "blindingly obvious" to them -- or rather the political implications of a last-second EAL failure hadn't been blindingly obvious to them.

OK, Bruce, let me suggest this. Take a magic marker and write on your palm "EAL landing failure = bad; EAL landing success = good." biggrin.gif

Hey, maybe it's me, but if the "political implications of a last-second EAL failure [isn't] blindingly obvious to them," then "the[y]" have been living in a cave if "they" do not realize the ramifications in a failure of a multi-billion dollar Flagship-class mission.

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post Mar 10 2006, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 11:44 AM) *
OK, Bruce, let me suggest this. Take a magic marker and write on your palm "EAL landing failure = bad; EAL landing success = good." biggrin.gif

Hey, maybe it's me, but if the "political implications of a last-second EAL failure [isn't] blindingly obvious to them," then "the[y]" have been living in a cave if "they" do not realize the ramifications of a failure a multi-billion dollar Flagship-class mission.


I've noticed that sometimes (ideally, in fact) people don't say blindingly obvious things; that doesn't mean that they don't recognize them. It also doesn't mean that they didn't recognize it if they don't tell a stranger that the stranger just said something obvious.</2000 LB weight>
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- AlexBlackwell   Enceladus-3 (March 12, 2008)   Feb 24 2006, 09:12 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   It was casually confirmed in one of the new EGU ab...   Feb 25 2006, 04:03 AM
- - volcanopele   Even though the encounter distance is closer, don...   Feb 25 2006, 04:12 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 25 2006, 04:12 A...   Feb 27 2006, 04:13 PM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 24 2006, 10:12 P...   Feb 27 2006, 04:40 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Check this out: http://drudgereport.com/flash8na....   Mar 9 2006, 06:42 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 9 2006, 11:42 AM...   Mar 9 2006, 07:37 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 9 2006, 07:37 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 07:43 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   TWENTY-FIVE KM?!! You guys are really taki...   Mar 9 2006, 09:36 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 9 2006, 10:36 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 09:42 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 9 2006, 09:36 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 09:47 PM
||- - volcanopele   Technically, that number is official (well, it isn...   Mar 9 2006, 10:12 PM
|||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 9 2006, 10:12 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 10:17 PM
|||- - EccentricAnomaly   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 9 2006, 02:12 PM...   Mar 10 2006, 04:43 AM
|||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Mar 10 2006, 04...   Mar 10 2006, 04:26 PM
|||- - JRehling   Various notes: However we might wring our hands o...   Mar 10 2006, 05:32 PM
|||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 10 2006, 05:32 PM) ...   Mar 10 2006, 06:07 PM
|||- - RGClark   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 10 2006, 05:32 PM) ...   Mar 10 2006, 06:26 PM
||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 9 2006, 09:47 ...   Mar 15 2006, 08:38 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 9 2006, 02:36 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 10:23 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Mar 9 2006, 11:23 ...   Mar 9 2006, 10:34 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 9 2006, 03:34 PM) Yo...   Mar 10 2006, 06:37 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Passing at 25 kms of Enceladus would be very inter...   Mar 9 2006, 11:05 PM
|- - DDAVIS   To take images? Wow fantastic images from such an ...   Mar 9 2006, 11:38 PM
- - Sunspot   I think this is the highest resolution image taken...   Mar 9 2006, 11:49 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Mar 9 2006, 03:49 PM) I ...   Mar 10 2006, 12:04 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Unfortunately, as Jason noted back on his own (sor...   Mar 10 2006, 05:01 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 10 2006, 06:01 A...   Mar 10 2006, 08:44 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 10 2006, 05:01 A...   Mar 10 2006, 03:52 PM
|- - EccentricAnomaly   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 9 2006, 09:01 PM...   Mar 10 2006, 05:57 PM
- - gpurcell   If the E-Ring is caused by the venting, why not tr...   Mar 10 2006, 07:13 PM
- - tty   Isnít landing on Enceladus an unnecessarily compli...   Mar 10 2006, 07:24 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (tty @ Mar 10 2006, 08:24 PM) Isnít...   Mar 10 2006, 07:41 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 03:52...   Mar 10 2006, 07:24 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 10 2006, 07:24 P...   Mar 10 2006, 07:44 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 11:44...   Mar 10 2006, 08:12 PM
- - volcanopele   a few notes: E3 Imaging: Don't expect super h...   Mar 10 2006, 07:36 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 10 2006, 07:36 P...   Mar 10 2006, 09:34 PM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 10 2006, 07:36 P...   Mar 10 2006, 10:48 PM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 10 2006, 07:36 P...   Mar 11 2006, 03:33 PM
|- - JRehling   One Enceladus mission I could see flying would be ...   Mar 11 2006, 06:58 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   OK. All I can report is what I saw: before Ms. Cl...   Mar 10 2006, 09:16 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 10 2006, 09:16 P...   Mar 10 2006, 10:15 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 10:15...   Mar 10 2006, 11:20 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 10 2006, 11:20 P...   Mar 10 2006, 11:51 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 11:51...   Mar 11 2006, 01:54 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (helvick @ Mar 11 2006, 01:54 AM) I...   Mar 11 2006, 02:00 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Fine -- especially since the whole damn thing was ...   Mar 11 2006, 02:50 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I found Jason's blog entry from almost a year ...   Mar 11 2006, 11:19 AM
|- - EccentricAnomaly   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 11 2006, 03:19 A...   Mar 11 2006, 06:01 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The NEP idea -- which would orbit Saturn and fly t...   Mar 11 2006, 10:53 PM
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|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 12 2006, 04:30 P...   Mar 13 2006, 02:46 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 13 2006, 12:30 A...   Mar 13 2006, 08:38 AM
- - volcanopele   The planetary society Cassini tour page now has th...   Mar 15 2006, 10:06 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 15 2006, 10:06 P...   Mar 15 2006, 10:19 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   I just read the materials in the 060323 Reference ...   Mar 28 2006, 09:26 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Can you tell us anything more about just what they...   Mar 29 2006, 01:11 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 29 2006, 01:11 A...   Mar 29 2006, 06:10 PM


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