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Science (March 10, 2006)
paxdan
post Mar 9 2006, 04:25 PM
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Nasa Watch is reporting that we shoud expect a large announcement from the Cassini team today:

My wild speculation is that it will be a subsurface ocean confirmed on enceladus. Hence more potentially habitable real eastate in the solar system.

Heads up anyone?
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post Mar 9 2006, 04:26 PM
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Note that NASAWatch/Spaceref is in its "breaking news" speculation mode regarding a "big" or "huge" announcement today.

Frankly, it looks as if Cowing just picked up on the toms-toms beating about the publication of the March 10, 2006, issue of Science, which is a special issue (Cassini at Enceladus).
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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 9 2006, 08:26 AM) *
Note that NASAWatch/Spaceref is in its "breaking news" speculation mode regarding a "big" or "huge" announcement today.

Frankly, it looks as if Cowing just picked up on the toms-toms beating about the publication of the March 10, 2006, issue of Science, which is a special issue (Cassini at Enceladus).


The media at large has picked this up, it is an announcement of subsurface liquid H2O at Enceladus, which seems to be a "no news" consequence of the jets imaged months ago. It's something if a place as profoundly obscure as Enceladus could become part of the vocabulary of the New Yorker set, if not a household name.

I don't, again, see this as news anymore, but it's a time to reflect that the Saturn system has definitely KOed the Galileans in terms of interest. Enceladus alone is almost a combination of Ganymede (old crust and new), Europa (subsurface ocean), and Io (volcanic plumes) in one. Then there's Titan. Wow.

Enceladus is still in the running for a high-priority flagship mission, although I don't know if it has the potential to climb to the top of that list among outer satellites.
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post Mar 9 2006, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 9 2006, 04:44 PM) *
The media at large has picked this up, it is an announcement of subsurface liquid H2O at Enceladus, which seems to be a "no news" consequence of the jets imaged months ago. It's something if a place as profoundly obscure as Enceladus could become part of the vocabulary of the New Yorker set, if not a household name.

I don't, again, see this as news anymore, but it's a time to reflect that the Saturn system has definitely KOed the Galileans in terms of interest. Enceladus alone is almost a combination of Ganymede (old crust and new), Europa (subsurface ocean), and Io (volcanic plumes) in one. Then there's Titan. Wow.

Enceladus is still in the running for a high-priority flagship mission, although I don't know if it has the potential to climb to the top of that list among outer satellites.



It's very exciting to those of us whose primary interest in planetary science is in connection with astrobiology.
Apparently, it is also exciting to Cassini scientist Carolyn Porco:

Cassini Finds Signs of Liquid Water on Saturn's Moon
By Tariq Malik
posted: 09 March 2006
12:57 pm ET
"Saturn’s moon Enceladus may have pockets of liquid water lurking beneath its surface, feeding great jets that spew from the satellite and hinting at the possibility of a habitable environment, researchers said Thursday."
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“This finding has substantially broadened the range of environments in the solar system that might support living organisms, and it doesn't get any more significant than that,” said Carolyn Porco, Cassini imaging team leader at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado, in an e-mail interview. “I'd say we've just hit the ball right out of the park.”
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0603...sini_water.html

Also there is the question of explaining the source of this heating. One proposal is that it is due to radiogenic heating. If so that also raises the possibility that such heating could have operated on comets early in the solar systems history thereby creating environments conducive to life within comets.
If true, it would also raise the possibility such heating continues in the very largest comets and Kuiper belt objects.



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- paxdan   Science (March 10, 2006)   Mar 9 2006, 04:25 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Note that NASAWatch/Spaceref is in its "break...   Mar 9 2006, 04:26 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 9 2006, 08:26 ...   Mar 9 2006, 04:44 PM
||- - paulanderson   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 9 2006, 08:44 AM) I...   Mar 9 2006, 05:31 PM
|||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (paulanderson @ Mar 9 2006, 05:31 P...   Mar 9 2006, 05:35 PM
|||- - paulanderson   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 9 2006, 09:35 ...   Mar 9 2006, 05:49 PM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 9 2006, 04:44 PM) T...   Mar 9 2006, 07:44 PM
||- - ljk4-1   Is there any way to check the water spewing from E...   Mar 9 2006, 07:47 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (RGClark @ Mar 9 2006, 11:44 AM) It...   Mar 9 2006, 07:54 PM
||- - helvick   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 9 2006, 07:54 PM) I...   Mar 9 2006, 08:04 PM
||- - volcanopele   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 9 2006, 12:54 PM) I...   Mar 9 2006, 08:04 PM
|- - brachiopod   FYI, "drudge" is reporting that they wil...   Mar 9 2006, 04:44 PM
||- - helvick   QUOTE (brachiopod @ Mar 9 2006, 04:44 PM)...   Mar 9 2006, 04:51 PM
||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (brachiopod @ Mar 9 2006, 04:44 PM)...   Mar 9 2006, 05:16 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 9 2006, 04:26 ...   Mar 9 2006, 09:37 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 9 2006, 01:37 ...   Mar 9 2006, 09:44 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 9 2006, 09:44 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 09:52 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Note to whoever merged the two threads: If possib...   Mar 9 2006, 04:42 PM
- - volcanopele   The Enceladus would make a good name for a car tha...   Mar 9 2006, 05:46 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Cassini Finds Signs of Liquid Water on Saturn...   Mar 9 2006, 06:24 PM
- - elakdawalla   JPL's release is out via email, but it hasn...   Mar 9 2006, 07:07 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 9 2006, 07:07 PM...   Mar 10 2006, 02:22 AM
- - volcanopele   By my watch, it is after 2pm EST. WOOHOO!...   Mar 9 2006, 07:07 PM
- - alan   QUOTE Report: NASA Will Not Announce Life Find NA...   Mar 9 2006, 07:14 PM
- - scalbers   Looks like NASA TV will have this momentarily   Mar 9 2006, 07:25 PM
- - volcanopele   thanks for the heads up   Mar 9 2006, 07:31 PM
- - scalbers   Hi again, As you may have seen, NASA TV had a 2:3...   Mar 9 2006, 07:39 PM
- - paxdan   I would be curious to hear discussion as to what w...   Mar 9 2006, 08:07 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (paxdan @ Mar 9 2006, 01:07 PM) I w...   Mar 9 2006, 09:30 PM
- - paulanderson   Good write-up on CICLOPS (Captain's Log): htt...   Mar 9 2006, 09:04 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Given all the effort I've put lately into flat...   Mar 9 2006, 09:56 PM
- - volcanopele   I'm done talking to reporters today... though...   Mar 9 2006, 10:09 PM
- - elakdawalla   I'm getting a brief note posted based on a cha...   Mar 9 2006, 10:09 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 9 2006, 10:09 PM...   Mar 9 2006, 10:30 PM
- - volcanopele   For those of you in the Tucson area, look for me o...   Mar 9 2006, 10:53 PM
- - belleraphon1   Ok... here I am the old foggie...... Enceladu...   Mar 9 2006, 11:48 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Cassini Images of Enceladus Suggest Geysers Erupt ...   Mar 9 2006, 11:52 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Bob Pappalardo just helpfully sent me the Porco an...   Mar 10 2006, 06:08 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 9 2006, 10:08 PM...   Mar 10 2006, 06:16 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 9 2006, 11:16 PM...   Mar 10 2006, 06:42 AM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Mar 10 2006, 06:42...   Mar 10 2006, 06:46 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 10 2006, 06:16 A...   Mar 10 2006, 04:07 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 10 2006, 04:07...   Mar 10 2006, 11:03 PM
- - Anne Verbiscer   I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss ammonia on ...   Mar 10 2006, 08:58 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (Anne Verbiscer @ Mar 10 2006, 01:5...   Mar 10 2006, 09:21 PM
||- - Anne Verbiscer   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 10 2006, 04:21 P...   Mar 10 2006, 11:34 PM
||- - djellison   QUOTE (Anne Verbiscer @ Mar 10 2006, 11:3...   Mar 11 2006, 12:24 AM
|||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 11 2006, 12:24 AM)...   Mar 11 2006, 12:37 AM
||- - jmknapp   QUOTE (Anne Verbiscer @ Mar 10 2006, 06:3...   Mar 11 2006, 01:42 AM
||- - Bob Shaw   Are the physical properties of amorphous water ice...   Mar 11 2006, 10:52 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Anne Verbiscer @ Mar 10 2006, 08:5...   Mar 10 2006, 10:32 PM
- - volcanopele   Wow, it's been a crazy couple of days. First,...   Mar 10 2006, 09:04 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 10 2006, 09:04 P...   Mar 10 2006, 09:10 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   PIA07800 looks to be another iconic Cassini image....   Mar 11 2006, 01:04 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 11 2006, 01:04...   Mar 11 2006, 09:08 PM
|- - ugordan   If you're gonna decimate a huge mosaic like th...   Mar 11 2006, 09:38 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (helvick @ Mar 11 2006, 09:08 PM) I...   Mar 12 2006, 09:39 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (jmknapp @ Mar 11 2006, 01:42 AM) N...   Mar 11 2006, 01:30 PM
|- - jmknapp   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 11 2006, 08:30 A...   Mar 11 2006, 02:42 PM
- - dvandorn   So.... Enceladus may well have a subsurface ocean ...   Mar 11 2006, 04:00 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Mar 11 2006, 04:00 PM) ...   Mar 11 2006, 05:06 PM
|- - jmknapp   But methane is odorless so it shouldn't detrac...   Mar 11 2006, 07:28 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   I'm not sure how many people read Caltech...   Jun 17 2006, 12:14 AM


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