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Stardust mission to Saturn, Catching particules from rings, Titan and Enceladus plume |
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Mar 12 2006, 07:12 PM
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James Oberg Chimes in: Let Us Drink from the Fountains of Enceladus The idea is as follows: send a stardust-like mission to capture particules from the Enceladus plume. I think it is the cheapest way to have infos on what is going on into Enceladus, if it has a biochemistry and how far it evolved. I allow myself to better the idea: the probe could have three targets. 1) when passing near Saturn, catches ring particules 2) Using Titan as a gravitationnal aid, captures smog particules (fortunately they reach very high) 3) passes into Enceladus plume, captures eventual evidences of biochemistry in Enceladus. And back to Earth! It even don't need to actually satellise around Saturn, if it is well aimed. The only difficulty is a precise navigation, to aim into a 10x10kms window into the plumes, and a bit of fuel. The only serious problem is not to bring back some alien bacteria on Earth! Eventually the aerogel containing the Enceladus particules would be coated in something after use, so that there would be no possible contamination, in any way. Even if the mission fails, a low pass over the Tiger Stripes would allow to obtain precise images of the vents (or more likely zones where the ice is sublimating, like in a comet), provided we have a special shutter compensating for motion blur. Such images would be anyway a necessary preliminary step before sending a lander on Enceladus, and even before designing it (depending on the geometry of the vents, which may be complicated or hazardoous). |
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Mar 12 2006, 09:47 PM
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Even if the mission fails, a low pass over the Tiger Stripes would allow to obtain precise images of the vents (or more likely zones where the ice is sublimating, like in a comet), provided we have a special shutter compensating for motion blur. Such images would be anyway a necessary preliminary step before sending a lander on Enceladus, and even before designing it (depending on the geometry of the vents, which may be complicated or hazardoous). One constraint on the tiger stripe imaging is the approaching end of the southern Enceladean summer. The south polar regions will be mostly in shadow for quite a while, until we approach the next summer solstice around 2030. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Mar 12 2006, 11:14 PM
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![]() Dublin Correspondent ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1799 Joined: 28-March 05 From: Celbridge, Ireland Member No.: 220 |
One constraint on the tiger stripe imaging is the approaching end of the southern Enceladean summer. The south polar regions will be mostly in shadow for quite a while, until we approach the next summer solstice around 2030. So that would be an imaging constraint but should not be a constraint on a sample return, right? |
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Richard Trigaux Stardust mission to Saturn Mar 12 2006, 07:12 PM
helvick QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 12 2006, 07... Mar 12 2006, 07:55 PM
nprev QUOTE (helvick @ Mar 12 2006, 03:14 PM) S... Mar 18 2006, 12:44 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 18 2006, 12:44 AM) One... Mar 18 2006, 12:45 AM
BruceMoomaw Drat. We would still, however, be able to use a t... Mar 12 2006, 10:52 PM
scalbers Right, this is just a sunlight imaging constraint,... Mar 12 2006, 11:21 PM
David Well -- surely the most likely scenario is that th... Mar 12 2006, 11:26 PM
BruceMoomaw Which is precisely why we need to know as much as ... Mar 13 2006, 02:20 AM
RGClark QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 13 2006, 02:20 A... Mar 13 2006, 08:57 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (RGClark @ Mar 13 2006, 09:57 AM) T... Mar 13 2006, 10:17 AM
Richard Trigaux Thanks all for your interesting contributions.
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RGClark Perhaps we could collect some of the 1.6% methane ... Mar 18 2006, 12:39 AM
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The Messenger QUOTE (RGClark @ Mar 19 2006, 06:26 PM) I... Mar 20 2006, 01:53 AM
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BruceMoomaw There ain't even any significant amount of car... Mar 18 2006, 12:44 AM
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tty Anybody have any bright ideas about how to collect... Mar 20 2006, 06:37 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (tty @ Mar 20 2006, 12:37 PM) Anybo... Mar 20 2006, 06:43 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (tty @ Mar 20 2006, 07:37 PM) Anoth... Mar 21 2006, 07:12 AM
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BruceMoomaw I do not see any conceivable way to collect enough... Mar 20 2006, 08:32 PM
RGClark QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 20 2006, 08:32 P... Mar 21 2006, 06:20 AM
Richard Trigaux after what they say, Enceladus has the composition... Mar 21 2006, 11:08 AM
Myran Perhaps its time to ask one of those really stupid... Mar 29 2006, 12:38 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Myran @ Mar 29 2006, 12:38 PM) Per... Mar 29 2006, 07:02 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 29 2006, 09... Mar 29 2006, 07:19 PM
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Richard Trigaux I would like to add that such a mission is much ch... Apr 21 2006, 07:29 AM
djellison I can't imagine anyone being able to do such a... Apr 21 2006, 08:59 AM
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djellison We just don't have the ability to do the very ... Apr 21 2006, 09:21 AM
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