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Water May Not Have Formed Mars' Recent Gullies
Guest_AlexBlackwell_*
post Mar 16 2006, 07:54 PM
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Water May Not Have Formed Mars' Recent Gullies
By Lori Stiles
University of Arizona News Services
March 16, 2006
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post Mar 17 2006, 07:23 AM
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It is sure that certain traces are dust flows, especially those dark traces that look so much like wet sand.

But ALL the gullies? I am not sure. There are meanders, and re-cut of the alluvion fan by further flows, which don't speak in favour of dust flows.

If you remember Burns Cliff panorama (by spirit before getting out of Endurance crater) there was such flow traces, which were very difficult to interpret: mud flows or dust flows?

Dust flows have the advantage to form into the actual martian climate. But they have some inconveniences: -Why we don't observe similar dust flows on the Moon (only landslides traces in recent craters like Tycho). -to be still active today, they need that martian grabens are still active (an explanation which don't hold when found in craters) or that there are intense Mars quakes.

Water flows require a recent period where Mars had more atmosphere, allowing for ice forming on certain slopes, and then melting to form the gullies. Why not? But if so the water of the gullies had to be released suddenly to make the flow traces (which imply a large flow rate). But after this high flow gets suddenly stopped, when there is no more slope, most of the time it don't continue as a river bed (although such river beds are observed too). This rather speaks for dust flows, or implies some special mechanism, for instance a snow cap keeps cool despites the sun, but it melts suddenly, pooring the water on a hot slope where it evaporates quickly, or is lost in sand.

So all this is not really clear and still deserves studies.
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- AlexBlackwell   Water May Not Have Formed Mars' Recent Gullies   Mar 16 2006, 07:54 PM
- - ljk4-1   "Are Martian Gullies Generated by Granular Fl...   Mar 16 2006, 08:23 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 16 2006, 09:23 P...   Mar 16 2006, 08:40 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (tty @ Mar 16 2006, 03:40 PM) Was t...   Mar 16 2006, 08:44 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 16 2006, 08:23 P...   Mar 16 2006, 08:46 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   There are all sorts of funny physical mechanisms w...   Mar 16 2006, 09:02 PM
||- - ljk4-1   The Cornell professor who introduced Dr. Shinbrot ...   Mar 16 2006, 09:39 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 16 2006, 12:46...   Mar 16 2006, 09:33 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 16 2006, 09:33 PM) ...   Mar 16 2006, 09:38 PM
- - JRehling   I'll insert here a post I made four years ago ...   Mar 16 2006, 08:37 PM
- - paulanderson   While the jury may still be out it seems on recent...   Mar 17 2006, 12:44 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (paulanderson @ Mar 17 2006, 12:44 ...   Mar 17 2006, 12:53 AM
|- - paulanderson   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 16 2006, 04:53...   Mar 17 2006, 03:52 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (paulanderson @ Mar 17 2006, 03:52 ...   Mar 17 2006, 05:24 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Scanning through the LPSC Mars abstracts, the thin...   Mar 17 2006, 03:13 AM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 17 2006, 03:13 A...   Mar 19 2006, 12:05 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   It is sure that certain traces are dust flows, esp...   Mar 17 2006, 07:23 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 16 2006, 11...   Mar 17 2006, 02:28 PM
|- - jmknapp   There was a lot of press back with Clementine and/...   Mar 17 2006, 03:52 PM
- - edstrick   Got me a new theory. Gnomes with dust-mops.   Mar 17 2006, 09:42 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Against that, however, we have the problem pointed...   Mar 19 2006, 04:21 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Science/Astronomy: * Researchers Rain On Mars...   Mar 21 2006, 07:41 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 21 2006, 07:41 P...   Mar 21 2006, 08:06 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Moomaw strikes again! I was wondering whether...   Mar 23 2006, 09:57 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 23 2006, 09:57 P...   Mar 23 2006, 10:01 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I was just about to send it to you guys when I stu...   Mar 23 2006, 10:21 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 23 2006, 10:21 P...   Mar 23 2006, 10:27 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I draw the line at that.   Mar 23 2006, 10:30 PM


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