Landing on Mercury on equator at perihelion |
Landing on Mercury on equator at perihelion |
Mar 21 2006, 12:18 AM
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How will it be to make a manned landing at Mercury at its closest to the sun (perihelion) on its equator when the sun is in the zenith ,what are the dangers of a landing then? Do we need to be protected against the sunheat and radiation then? How strong is the heat and radiation of the sun then ,and is it dangerous when the solaractivity is high then? What kind of spacesuits do we need then? Better protected suits than we have used on the apollo moonlandings i think. Can you explain how a landing on Mercury will be when it is at perihelion and land on its equator with the sun directly overhead? I hope it will ever happen. Lets start discuss about it.
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Mar 22 2006, 07:26 PM
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An ion drive would do well on a trajectory to Mercury. Plenty of solar energy.
I cannot calculate if such a trajectory is feasible, but I well see a probe launched at 11km/s from Earth on a sun orbit, spiraling closer an closer from Mercury orbit, until it is caugh in orbit around it. Then it continues braking with its ion drive untill it is on a low orbit. After of course a classical chemical rocket is necessary to land. Such a mission would need much less fuel than braking all the speed from a direct approach with only a chemical rocket. So it removes part of the cost problem. I feel that Mercury is not just the grey and boring world we currently imagine. Interesting and unusual geology may exist near the poles if there are sulphur deposits. And where this sulphur would come from? Volcanoes! Oh, better: sulphate rocks from an ancient ocean!!! I think it is simply incredible that Mercury just stopped any large scale geologic activity sooner than the much smaller Moon. There is a mistery, worth at least an orbiter. With ion drive, it would not be so costy. |
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Mar 22 2006, 08:09 PM
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I feel that Mercury is not just the grey and boring world we currently imagine. Interesting and unusual geology may exist near the poles if there are sulphur deposits. And where this sulphur would come from? Volcanoes! Oh, better: sulphate rocks from an ancient ocean!!! I think it is simply incredible that Mercury just stopped any large scale geologic activity sooner than the much smaller Moon. There is a mistery, worth at least an orbiter. With ion drive, it would not be so costy. I wonder if Mercury "stopped" its major geology because it did not have a larger world near it to pull on it and attract more larger planetoids and comets to hit it? I also recall a theory in the 1970s that Mercury may have been a moon of Venus, as it has one of the more eccentric solar orbits of the planets - plus I am sure bearing some resemblance to our Moon may have been the "inspiration" for the idea. Any merit to it? Or just not enough evidence? My goodness - what if Mercury was "spawned" from Venus just as our Moon was by a Mars-sized space rock hitting Earth, but this time the planet was knocked away from Venus into its own solar orbit? Now we would have an even greater need to get surface samples back from both worlds! -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Mar 22 2006, 08:45 PM
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I wonder if Mercury "stopped" its major geology because it did not have a larger world near it to pull on it and attract more larger planetoids and comets to hit it? Another factor may have been that closer to the Sun the velocities of impacting planetoids is so high that a much larger fraction of the debris sprays away from the collision, so it's harder to build up a body down there. |
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Rem31 Landing on Mercury on equator at perihelion Mar 21 2006, 12:18 AM
antoniseb QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 20 2006, 07:18 PM) How... Mar 21 2006, 12:25 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 20 2006, 07:18 PM) How... Mar 21 2006, 02:25 AM
Rem31 But how will a (hypothetical) manned landing on Me... Mar 21 2006, 03:42 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 20 2006, 10:42 PM) But... Mar 22 2006, 01:35 AM
BruceMoomaw A manned landing on Mercury at perihelion -- or an... Mar 21 2006, 04:25 AM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 20 2006, 08:25 P... Mar 21 2006, 10:02 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 21 2006, 10:02 PM) ... Mar 21 2006, 11:57 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 21 2006, 03:57 P... Mar 22 2006, 05:46 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 21 2006, 01:18 AM) How... Mar 21 2006, 06:09 AM
edstrick Exploring Mercury is difficult. While it's re... Mar 21 2006, 08:49 AM
Richard Trigaux At least, and orbiter with high resolution mapping... Mar 21 2006, 09:08 AM
edstrick Robert Strom (I think) and subsequent researchers ... Mar 21 2006, 10:26 AM
Richard Trigaux hey, that is interesting, and fairly different of ... Mar 21 2006, 11:06 AM
Richard Trigaux An interesting job too for a probe would be sensin... Mar 21 2006, 11:18 AM
ljk4-1 Come on, guys - just land at night!
How about... Mar 21 2006, 03:20 PM
JRehling To summarize what other posters have written: Merc... Mar 21 2006, 05:37 PM
BruceMoomaw Even Arthur C. Clarke, the Keeper of the Holy of H... Mar 21 2006, 09:42 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 21 2006, 04:42 P... Mar 21 2006, 10:22 PM
Rem31 Are there space artist impressions to find on the ... Mar 21 2006, 11:42 PM
RNeuhaus The Mercury atmospheric composition:
CODEHelium 4... Mar 22 2006, 01:59 AM
BruceMoomaw It has stupendously less than that -- its atmosphe... Mar 22 2006, 03:40 AM
edstrick Niven may or may not have been aware of the really... Mar 22 2006, 07:04 AM
BruceMoomaw He surely wasn't aware of that, or he wouldn... Mar 22 2006, 07:37 AM
edstrick I'm assuming he wasn't. It was pretty obs... Mar 22 2006, 08:15 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 22 2006, 08:15 AM) ... Mar 22 2006, 08:25 PM
Richard Trigaux There was in another thread a discution on the pos... Mar 22 2006, 08:37 AM
edstrick A long lived Mercury lander would have decidedly d... Mar 22 2006, 11:12 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (antoniseb @ Mar 22 2006, 09:45 PM)... Mar 22 2006, 09:40 PM
JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 22 2006, 12:09 P... Mar 22 2006, 09:27 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 22 2006, 04:27 PM) ... Mar 22 2006, 09:41 PM
edstrick Mariner 10 did have a tiny infrared radiometer. I... Mar 23 2006, 09:33 AM
Rem31 What kind of experience will it (possibly) be when... Apr 28 2006, 09:47 PM
BruceMoomaw All I can say is you like hot weather a lot more t... Apr 28 2006, 09:53 PM
Rem31 What are the kind of dangers of a (manned) landing... May 10 2006, 12:06 AM
BruceMoomaw God, yes. We've mentioned all this before. A... May 10 2006, 08:43 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 10 2006, 09:43 A... May 10 2006, 11:00 AM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 10 2006, 01:43 A... May 10 2006, 01:35 PM
JRehling QUOTE (JRehling @ May 10 2006, 06:35 AM) ... May 10 2006, 05:08 PM
Rem31 And on a manned landing on Mercury at (perihelion)... May 10 2006, 11:28 AM
helvick QUOTE (Rem31 @ May 10 2006, 12:28 PM) And... May 10 2006, 12:19 PM
jsheff As I recall, Mariner 10's discovery of a magne... May 10 2006, 03:52 PM
Bob Shaw John:
The trouble with Mercury is, that although ... May 10 2006, 05:58 PM
RNeuhaus A comparative view of Sun between Mercury and Eart... May 10 2006, 07:06 PM
jsheff I know how horrendous the delta-vee requirements a... May 10 2006, 07:27 PM
JRehling QUOTE (jsheff @ May 10 2006, 12:27 PM) Th... May 10 2006, 08:27 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (JRehling @ May 10 2006, 09:27 PM) ... May 10 2006, 08:39 PM

ilbasso QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 10 2006, 04:39 PM) ... May 18 2006, 05:47 PM
helvick Absolutely agree with you on this but people are s... May 10 2006, 08:50 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (helvick @ May 10 2006, 04:50 PM) A... May 18 2006, 05:52 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, all the way back in the 1950s -- when he was... May 10 2006, 09:11 PM
Rem31 Do you need also Solarheat and radiation protectio... Jun 17 2006, 09:00 PM
dvandorn I don't have detailed numbers for you, but my ... Jun 18 2006, 11:52 PM
RNeuhaus In spite of the fact Mercury has extermes temperat... Jun 19 2006, 12:46 AM
ermar QUOTE every 44 days (one orbital period is close t... Jun 20 2006, 08:09 PM
RNeuhaus Good tought ermar!
I haven't percated th... Jun 21 2006, 03:04 AM
Rem31 Here is one of the most beautifull photographs of ... Jun 22 2006, 09:11 PM
helvick QUOTE (Rem31 @ Jun 22 2006, 10:11 PM) I h... Jun 22 2006, 11:40 PM
JRehling QUOTE (helvick @ Jun 22 2006, 04:40 PM) N... Jun 23 2006, 04:10 PM
Rem31 QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 23 2006, 04:10 PM) ... Jun 24 2006, 11:09 PM
edstrick Note that we *DO* know there's polar volatile ... Jun 23 2006, 10:50 AM
edstrick I note that that page has ONE (the first) of the M... Jun 24 2006, 10:24 AM
efron_01 about Mercury having been a moon of Venus..
I have... Nov 12 2006, 03:44 PM
nprev As I recall, the Arecibo radar images of Mercury... Nov 13 2006, 02:11 AM
Alan S This might be a topic for a new thread, but since ... Jan 8 2007, 06:21 AM
edstrick The helium 3 is a fraction (in very approximate pr... Jan 8 2007, 12:43 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 8 2007, 12:43 PM) T... Jan 8 2007, 10:32 PM
ljk4-1 Dr. Robert Bussard of the Bussard ramjet interstel... Jan 8 2007, 02:52 PM
JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 8 2007, 06:52 AM... Jan 8 2007, 07:16 PM
nprev I think that JR's analysis was right on, if ni... Jan 9 2007, 02:25 AM
edstrick "...what minerals might the planet have ...... Jan 9 2007, 08:39 AM![]() ![]() |
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