PFS issue on Venus Express, PFS scanner stuck in its closed position |
PFS issue on Venus Express, PFS scanner stuck in its closed position |
Mar 21 2006, 09:03 PM
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Bad news for PFS. I hope they will be able to solve this issue.
The PFS scanner is stuck in its closed position. Several attempts to move it were made at the time, but the instrument did not respond. Experts suspected a thermal problem by which low temperatures were blocking the rotation of the mechanism. Another attempt to move the scanner was made on 16 March 2006, in warmer flight conditions. Unfortunately, the scanner remains stuck. The next opportunity to perform another test on the spacecraft will be end of April, after the Venus Orbit Insertion. From http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/in...fobjectid=38964 |
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Apr 15 2006, 01:49 PM
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Thanks much Rakhir for the pointing topic.
I was thinking that any probe, robot, rover or any spacecraft must carry along with him an useful and smart general purpose arm to solve for any problems that they might be stuckduring its exploration. The robot arm plays the rol as an auxiliar for any mechanical problems such as to align correctly the motor troubled antenna; puff off the dirt from lens, unstuck the troubled panel solar; repair a panel solar; lift off from the surface the troubled wheel (the wheel must be designed to be able to lift off independently from the other, this is the MER's problem and MSL might have it); help to unstuck /stuck the IDD; push any interesing rock to see its bottom; help to tilt the rover to a right angle in anywhere when the battery is low; and many much useful auxiliar examples that a arm can help to rovers. The good example was the ones from Shuttle. Its long arm has helped to simplify and solve the thermal problems by removing a small debris under the nose.... Why not any spacecraft bring an arm with itself! Spirit need a help from a smart arm to spin the injured wheel or knock softly it to see if the motor will turn on again Of course, that carrying an extra weight of the arm, it would save millions dollars if the problem is arised. It is like a kind of space insurance. Now, the troubled PFS is the point of iceberg for this discussion. Rodolfo |
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Apr 15 2006, 02:51 PM
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Of course, that carrying an extra weight of the arm, it would save millions dollars if the problem is arised. It is like a kind of space insurance Unfortunately on the size, volume, mass, power, money, development budgets of anything short of a space shuttle, it just doesnt make a lot of sense, and is basically impossible. For example - you'd have to ask "OK - do I want 6 instruments on VEX, or 2, plus an arm to make sure they deploy" or "an extra 50kg of hyrdazine for a great extended mission for 5 instruments, or a system that might or might not guarentee 6 instruments for 5 years less time" Doug |
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Apr 15 2006, 03:22 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
Unfortunately on the size, volume, mass, power, money, development budgets of anything short of a space shuttle, it just doesnt make a lot of sense, and is basically impossible. Interesting view. The weight of sense is the factor to decide if it worth or not to take an multi-purpose arm as an kind of space insurance (orbiters and rovers) and also for science purposes which would be most useful for rovers. The money is a balance decision factor for many things according to our monetary society. It is the product of our still young technology of propulsion system. Rodolfo |
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Rakhir PFS issue on Venus Express Mar 21 2006, 09:03 PM
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Bob Shaw QUOTE (The Messenger @ Mar 22 2006, 05:27... Mar 22 2006, 06:52 PM
djellison QUOTE (The Messenger @ Mar 22 2006, 05:27... Mar 22 2006, 06:58 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 22 2006, 06:58 PM)... Mar 22 2006, 07:05 PM
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GravityWaves QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 23 2006, 01:46 PM)... Mar 25 2006, 05:24 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 23 2006, 09:46 AM)... Mar 25 2006, 05:42 PM
hendric I've wondered if missions shouldn't start ... Mar 23 2006, 04:49 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (hendric @ Mar 23 2006, 04:49 PM) I... Mar 23 2006, 04:56 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (hendric @ Mar 23 2006, 11:49 AM) I... Mar 23 2006, 05:23 PM
djellison Woudlnt it make more sense to simply spend the tim... Mar 23 2006, 05:30 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, you know, constant repetition is a very impo... Mar 23 2006, 09:30 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 23 2006, 03:30 P... Mar 24 2006, 12:47 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (dvandorn @ Mar 24 2006, 12:47 AM) ... Mar 24 2006, 02:16 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 24 2006, 02:16 A... Mar 24 2006, 02:20 AM
Decepticon Do we know 100% that the instrument has failed?
M... Mar 24 2006, 03:15 AM
BruceMoomaw That's just what we've been talking about ... Mar 24 2006, 06:12 AM
BruceMoomaw I'm somewhat inclined to be forgiving where mo... Mar 25 2006, 09:50 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 25 2006, 09:50 P... Mar 25 2006, 10:20 PM
djellison QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 25 2006, 09:50 P... Mar 25 2006, 10:40 PM
BruceMoomaw I would have loved the robotic Hubble mission IF T... Mar 26 2006, 03:48 AM
djellison Not that much cheaper if you wanted to do anything... Mar 26 2006, 10:03 AM
BruceMoomaw In most repair cases, yeah. But occasionally you... Mar 27 2006, 07:16 AM
BruceMoomaw I've E-mailed Formisano to ask him when the ne... Apr 12 2006, 11:05 PM
Rakhir Bruce,
I've e-mailed him just after the VOI ... Apr 13 2006, 07:04 AM
Bob Shaw Doug:
Just give up on unmanned spacecraft, and ma... Apr 15 2006, 03:00 PM

nprev QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 15 2006, 08:00 AM) ... Apr 16 2006, 12:33 AM
BruceMoomaw Weight-wise and expense-wise, it would make MUCH m... Apr 15 2006, 10:38 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 15 2006, 03:38 P... Apr 16 2006, 04:36 AM
tty QUOTE (JRehling @ Apr 16 2006, 06:36 AM) ... Apr 16 2006, 04:45 PM
BruceMoomaw I'm not sure I'd go THAT far -- that would... Apr 16 2006, 08:44 AM
Rakhir Emily reported in her blog that the VEX team manag... May 2 2006, 07:00 AM
Sunspot Well its not like the public are ever going to get... May 2 2006, 11:57 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (Sunspot @ May 2 2006, 05:57 AM) We... May 2 2006, 03:08 PM
DonPMitchell It is bad news. The Fourier spectrometer was very... May 6 2006, 05:11 PM
djellison QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 6 2006, 06:11 P... May 6 2006, 06:28 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 6 2006, 12:11 P... May 7 2006, 07:23 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 6 2006, 11:11 A... May 7 2006, 07:56 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (The Messenger @ May 7 2006, 08:56 ... May 7 2006, 08:30 PM
sawyer I've thought that a very smaller crawler robot... May 2 2006, 03:02 PM
BruceMoomaw Tentative good news on the PFS mirror front from ... May 8 2006, 01:51 PM
BruceMoomaw Glum news on the subject from the May 22 Aviation ... May 31 2006, 05:51 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 30 2006, 10:51 P... May 31 2006, 05:46 PM
ljk4-1 Any chance they could use the probe's thruster... May 31 2006, 03:05 PM
gpurcell I sense PFS Discovery proposal memos being generat... May 31 2006, 09:54 PM
BruceMoomaw It might be possible to add such a spectrometer to... May 31 2006, 10:54 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 31 2006, 10:54 P... Jun 1 2006, 01:43 PM
JRehling Messenger has two spectrometers and is making a fl... Jun 1 2006, 04:16 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jun 1 2006, 01:43 PM) B... Jun 1 2006, 10:46 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 1 2006, 06:46 PM... Jun 2 2006, 02:54 AM
ljk4-1 If someone could clarify for me: What could be do... Jun 5 2006, 02:37 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 5 2006, 07:37 AM... Jun 5 2006, 08:06 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 5 2006, 04:06 P... Jun 5 2006, 08:09 PM
JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 5 2006, 01:09 PM... Jun 5 2006, 08:31 PM
DonPMitchell FYI, here is the hubble photo of Venus. I dug up ... Jun 5 2006, 09:27 PM
The Messenger Notta about the PFS in the latest ESA press releas... Jun 27 2006, 01:29 PM
ustrax QUOTE (The Messenger @ Jun 27 2006, 02:29... Jun 27 2006, 01:34 PM
Rakhir Current planning does not forsee any PFS testing u... Jul 21 2006, 03:05 PM
PhilHorzempa I have it, from a Brilliant Reliable Unmanned Craf... Jul 24 2006, 03:57 AM
stevesliva QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Jul 23 2006, 11:57 ... Sep 18 2006, 08:09 PM
AlexBlackwell PFS is still off according to the latest VEx updat... Sep 7 2006, 10:29 PM
JRehling Messenger will fly by Venus in six weeks. Does any... Sep 7 2006, 11:14 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 7 2006, 01:14 PM) M... Sep 7 2006, 11:19 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Sep 7 2006, 04:19 ... Sep 8 2006, 01:54 AM
Rakhir A hardware safe occured while the PFS was ON (addi... Oct 6 2006, 08:56 AM
Rakhir Still no news in the 10 october status report conc... Oct 10 2006, 04:03 PM![]() ![]() |
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