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Huygens probe question
Steffen
post Mar 25 2006, 05:28 PM
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Which device made the Huygens probe spin underneath its satellite?
I read that's the way how 360° images were made during descent...
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Big_Gazza
post Mar 31 2006, 11:00 AM
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These sections of Huygens descent imaging triads (from the near-vertical camera) look like a droplet in the process of settling under gravity and draining away. Could it be either moisture (liquid methane) from the surface thrown up from the probes impact, or maybe condensation on the inside of the lens caused by cooling effect of low ambient temperature?

If the former, surely this proves that liquid does indeed lie just under the surface on the "dry lakebeds".

I'm sure these images have caused debate before, but I can't find mention anywhere.



P.S I've looked long and hard for anything that looks like an aquatic lifeform gasping for its life as its moisture drains away, but no luck i'm afraid!! laugh.gif
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post Mar 31 2006, 11:49 AM
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Big Gazza: "I'm sure these images have caused debate before, but I can't find mention anywhere. "

I'm pretty sure those images are highly out-of-focus data taken after landing.

The lower-left portion of the image is the out of focus surface. The upper right portion of the image expands from frame to frame and appears to show the structure of the fiber-optic bundle that routed the image from the focal plane of the downward looking lens to the CCD. It is entirely confined to the brightest part of each frame, and I think is the negative image of a flat-field calibration frame subtracted from the raw data. Where the raw data is within the dynamic range of the camera, the texture of the fiber-optic bundle in the raw data and in the calibration data cancel out. The brightest portions of the image appear to have been saturated in the raw data. There, the fiber-optic texture is not present and in the decalibrated image, the texture is put into what should be featureless saturated data.
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post Apr 1 2006, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 31 2006, 04:49 AM) *
Big Gazza: "I'm sure these images have caused debate before, but I can't find mention anywhere. "

I'm pretty sure those images are highly out-of-focus data taken after landing.

The lower-left portion of the image is the out of focus surface. The upper right portion of the image expands from frame to frame and appears to show the structure of the fiber-optic bundle that routed the image from the focal plane of the downward looking lens to the CCD. It is entirely confined to the brightest part of each frame, and I think is the negative image of a flat-field calibration frame subtracted from the raw data. Where the raw data is within the dynamic range of the camera, the texture of the fiber-optic bundle in the raw data and in the calibration data cancel out. The brightest portions of the image appear to have been saturated in the raw data. There, the fiber-optic texture is not present and in the decalibrated image, the texture is put into what should be featureless saturated data.

We thought this might be the parachute, being blown or wrapped about the imaging system after the landing, but this is a better explanation.

From the articles they have written, the ESA seems to have a good handle on the imaging sequence. I wish they would clarify this for us. Even so, there are two features - the "arrow" and the 'round kiva' that provide unambiguous evidence that the asimuth of the platform was changing significantly. The probe had to be bouncing or swinging, either of which should have been recorfed by the accelerometers.

Let me put things in prospective a little. While I was pouring over the Huygens data, my wife, who is a detail artist, was assembling mosiacs from the images, ala Rene Pascal. She kept saying, "Look at this, these are images of the heat shield."

I kept nodding my head but not really paying attention, because I knew they could not be: The heat shield was long-gone before the images were recorded. But she didn't know that, and eventually I had to agree with her analysis, especially after I saw the Doppler indicating there was much more acceleration during the first twenty minutes of the descent than expected.

There was a light spring that was supposed to push the heat shield away as the parachute tugged at the other other end of the probe. The Doppler data indicates that the probe continued to accelerate after the parachute deployed, which would have kept an effective load on the bottom of the probe, holding the heat shield in place. The heat shield falling away as the images were taken, explains a lot of otherwise very weird images.
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- Steffen   Huygens probe question   Mar 25 2006, 05:28 PM
- - centsworth_II   I believe the probe had fins attached that were to...   Mar 25 2006, 05:39 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, it had small vanes on the outer edges of its...   Mar 25 2006, 10:11 PM
- - Decepticon   ^That works with me. I never heard of the radio ...   Mar 26 2006, 04:00 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   They had to do some careful checking of the antenn...   Mar 26 2006, 05:44 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Any object under a parachute rotates naturally. Th...   Mar 26 2006, 08:45 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   See page 15 of Lebreton's article on Huygens (...   Mar 26 2006, 11:02 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   That same diagram revealed something else that I h...   Mar 26 2006, 11:52 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 26 2006, 04:52 A...   Mar 28 2006, 03:56 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   In this connection, one COSPAR abstract seems to s...   Mar 26 2006, 01:44 PM
- - PhilCo126   Well, I'm still amazed how the Cassini-Huygens...   Mar 28 2006, 03:38 PM
- - djellison   Do you not think that if the descent profile were ...   Mar 28 2006, 04:09 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 28 2006, 09:09 AM)...   Mar 28 2006, 05:05 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   "In principle, the water-ice value could have...   Mar 28 2006, 08:07 PM
- - The Messenger   I talked to Dr. Waffle again last night, about hea...   Mar 29 2006, 08:47 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Unconvincing. Take a look at those three mass spe...   Mar 30 2006, 04:28 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 29 2006, 09:28 P...   Mar 30 2006, 06:43 AM
- - djellison   Are you refering to this one? http://esamultimedi...   Mar 30 2006, 09:25 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 30 2006, 02:25 AM)...   Mar 31 2006, 05:54 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   More to the point, if the heat shield had broken a...   Mar 31 2006, 07:46 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 31 2006, 12:46 A...   Mar 31 2006, 08:52 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Mar 31 2006, 08:52...   Mar 31 2006, 08:58 PM
- - Big_Gazza   These sections of Huygens descent imaging triads (...   Mar 31 2006, 11:00 AM
|- - edstrick   Big Gazza: "I'm sure these images have ca...   Mar 31 2006, 11:49 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 31 2006, 04:49 AM) ...   Apr 1 2006, 09:42 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 1 2006, 09:42 ...   Apr 2 2006, 05:25 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 1 2006, 09:42 ...   Apr 2 2006, 11:20 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Doug: There *is* unambiguous evidence that the re...   Apr 2 2006, 12:00 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 2 2006, 01:00 PM) A...   Apr 2 2006, 01:45 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ugordan @ Apr 2 2006, 02:45 PM) Yo...   Apr 2 2006, 02:25 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 2 2006, 03:25 PM) A...   Apr 2 2006, 02:49 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ugordan @ Apr 2 2006, 03:49 PM) Th...   Apr 2 2006, 02:55 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (djellison @ Apr 2 2006, 05:20 AM) ...   Apr 3 2006, 05:32 AM
- - djellison   Just throwing this one into the mix... Did the la...   Mar 31 2006, 12:02 PM
- - edstrick   Assuming my hypothesis is correct. the image BRIGH...   Mar 31 2006, 12:27 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   It was instantly clear from looking at the photos ...   Apr 1 2006, 09:28 AM
- - djellison   We're not after the sun - we just want to know...   Apr 2 2006, 03:26 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   While it's certainly permissible that we don...   Apr 2 2006, 07:45 PM
- - djellison   Point 1 is mute - channel A was lost. (and it was ...   Apr 3 2006, 06:34 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   We got all the radar data (which started at 45 km ...   Apr 3 2006, 01:24 PM


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