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Mar 28 2006, 05:35 PM
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I got a question today for Planetary Radio Q&A that I couldn't answer, being pretty ignorant about solar system formation research. Can anybody help?
QUOTE We know from the metal composition of our solar system that the Sun is at least a second or third generation star. It made me wonder if it was possible that some of the comets or other KBOs that we witness might be from the Sun's predecessor star or stars. If not, could such bodies exist a bit further out? I should think it would be fantastic to be able to investigate such objects. --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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May 20 2006, 05:02 PM
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Not looking for the unexpected is a slippery slope. If you have the time and luxury to develop and use a multi-approach instrument suite, designed to gather as much possible information about as many characteristics of a phenomenon as possible, then it is, indeed, a cardinal sin to ignore all results except the ones that you wanted to see.
But planetary probes, in specific, are so mass-limited that you have to design your instruments carefully. You inevitably design your instruments to constrain existing theories, or to look for a very small subset of the available information that directly relates to what's seen as a pivotal prediction of a given theory. We have two fabulous little robotic geological explorers on Mars right now, and yet they are incapable of analyzing the oxidation properties of the soils. They couldn't find organics if they were strewn over the surface liberally. They are designed almost solely to identify hydration effects on the rocks and to identify a *limited* range of minerals in the rocks and soils. Because they were designed to constrain current theories on the effects of water on the Martian surface. So, with the MERs, we're not ignoring unexpected information -- we designed them to return *only* information about expected conditions. At least on several levels. (I admit freely that the Pancam returns a wide variety of data, and we see in its images not only what we expected but much that we didn't. I'm really speaking only of the non-imaging experiments, here. But that really does show you the value of imagery...) This is not a condemnation of the process. Planetary probes are so mass-limited that you *must* tailor their instrumentation suites to gather that subset of the available information you think is going to be the most valuable and worthwhile. You just can't afford to put every sensor you can think of on such probes. The trap here is in the phrase "information you think is going to be the most valuable." The only path to that kind of judgment is illuminated by best theories. So, we get trapped into designing our probes to constrain, prove or disprove best current theory. Which works against looking for the unexpected. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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elakdawalla TNOs: could some have formed elsewhere? Mar 28 2006, 05:35 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 28 2006, 05:35 P... Mar 28 2006, 05:57 PM
Alan Stern Hi Emily,
I personally have worked on this proble... Mar 28 2006, 06:19 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 28 2006, 06:19 PM... Mar 28 2006, 06:38 PM

Stephen QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 28 2006, 06:38... Mar 29 2006, 01:19 AM
SFJCody QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 28 2006, 07:19 PM... Mar 28 2006, 07:45 PM
Alan Stern QUOTE (SFJCody @ Mar 28 2006, 07:45 PM) C... Mar 28 2006, 10:52 PM
elakdawalla Thanks, Alan, Alex!
Emily Mar 28 2006, 06:55 PM
ngunn Another angle on Emily's query. The recent pa... May 16 2006, 11:21 AM
ugordan QUOTE (ngunn @ May 16 2006, 12:21 PM) The... May 16 2006, 11:29 AM
ngunn I saw that, and I can see why the probability of a... May 16 2006, 12:47 PM
ugordan QUOTE (ngunn @ May 16 2006, 01:47 PM) I s... May 16 2006, 01:05 PM
ngunn QUOTE (ugordan @ May 16 2006, 02:05 PM) I... May 16 2006, 01:47 PM
Bob Shaw What about a close (in interstellar terms) encount... May 16 2006, 05:27 PM
Richard Trigaux Well, such interstellar interactions and captures ... May 16 2006, 07:56 PM
ngunn It's all too easy to picture the sun's ste... May 17 2006, 09:37 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (ngunn @ May 17 2006, 03:37 AM) It... May 17 2006, 05:17 PM
Richard Trigaux Two populations of objects sharing the same space?... May 17 2006, 07:57 PM
Richard Trigaux Eventually if the solar system had crossed a zone ... May 17 2006, 02:20 PM
ngunn Indeed, and I like your multiple disc idea too. W... May 17 2006, 03:22 PM
Bob Shaw Hopefully, future astrometry missions will provide... May 17 2006, 04:22 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ngunn @ May 17 2006, 03:22 PM) Ind... May 17 2006, 05:15 PM
BruceMoomaw The most interesting part of Michael Brown's i... May 18 2006, 06:23 AM
ngunn A marvellous quote, Bruce, music to my ears. It... May 18 2006, 09:12 AM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2006, 03:12 AM) Not... May 19 2006, 06:02 PM
Richard Trigaux Eventually Sedna is the best candidate for a body ... May 18 2006, 10:50 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 18 2006, 11... May 18 2006, 11:17 AM
dvandorn 'Is not' is not 'not is'...
-the ... May 19 2006, 05:21 AM
ngunn My comment was about astronomy, as in studying cel... May 20 2006, 08:25 PM
ljk4-1 Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0605745
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