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Walking on Mars without protection (spacesuit)
Rem31
post Mar 31 2006, 01:31 AM
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Can you walk on Mars (without) protection spacesuit? I think it is possible because it is only my thought. Is this true?
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post Mar 31 2006, 03:26 AM
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Not currently, no. But I feel compelled to mention that in the 24-hour media blitz following the publication of "Observational Evidence for an Active Surface Reservoir of Solid Carbon Dioxide on Mars" by Malin et al, I made a remark to abcnews.com which they reported thusly:

Michael Caplinger of San Diego's Malin Space Science Systems points out that if the warming were to continue at the same rate (that's a big "if"), Mars could become a nearly inhabitable place for people within 5,000 years or so.

"Rather than wearing a spacesuit, you could get away with wearing just an oxygen mask and a thick parka," said Caplinger, who co-authored a study about the observations in this week's issue of Science. "It would be like standing on top of Everest."

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Well, OK, I said it, and the person from abcnews.com did the best job by far of reporting the story, but it wouldn't be that much like standing on Everest. If the atmospheric pressure went up 10X to, say,
60-90 millibars, that's still about 4-5 times thinner than the summit of Everest (which is at about 320 millibars.)

It's an interesting question if you could avoid skin hemorrhaging at this pressure. Would a spandex bodysuit under your parka be enough?


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Bob Shaw
post Mar 31 2006, 11:04 AM
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Mike:

There *have* been interesting experiments with Spandex-like garments as spacesuits (and no, I don't refer here to any UK Conservative MPS and their, ahem, 'hobbies'). The problem is not so much with your body as your head. The human body isn't likely to go bang as such if exposed to low pressures, but you are talking about bleeding and bursting problems at the head end of things (let's leave the bottom end out of this at the moment!). Another problem relates to the direction that oxygen will flow - it'll pass from the blood to the lungs at very low pressures, and you'd become unconscious even though nominally hyper-oxygenated. But, if you can keep the upper body properly sealed, the rest of the body is quite resilient - Spandex and a vapour barrier might well be enough. It does, however, all sound pretty uncomfortable! Temperature control might be fun, too...

Perhaps these sorts of technologies would be more appropriate in agricultural habitats on Mars, where you would have an unbreathable atmosphere of CO2 at (to you and I) low pressures. Such buildings, domes, tents or whatever might well be unsafe to work in without some sort of emergency personal life support (think of a yachtsman's life vest - just enough to get you to safety).

Titan, though...

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- Rem31   Walking on Mars without protection (spacesuit)   Mar 31 2006, 01:31 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   No. Before 1964, it was thought that this would b...   Mar 31 2006, 02:02 AM
- - mcaplinger   Not currently, no. But I feel compelled to mentio...   Mar 31 2006, 03:26 AM
|- - BillyMER   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 30 2006, 10:26 PM...   Mar 31 2006, 04:19 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Mike: There *have* been interesting experiments w...   Mar 31 2006, 11:04 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 31 2006, 03:04 AM) ...   Mar 31 2006, 04:05 PM
- - edstrick   Open the Pod Bay door, please, Hal....   Mar 31 2006, 11:51 AM
- - ljk4-1   But former US VP Dan Quayle said that Mars has can...   Mar 31 2006, 04:22 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 31 2006, 06:22 P...   Mar 31 2006, 04:32 PM
- - Bill Harris   Full pressure suits... gone are the days of the in...   Mar 31 2006, 04:33 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Mar 31 2006, 05:33 P...   Mar 31 2006, 08:23 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Don't forget that the ultimate culmination of ...   Mar 31 2006, 08:47 PM
- - Bill Harris   After I posted my earlier message I googled terraf...   Mar 31 2006, 09:44 PM
|- - Rem31   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Mar 31 2006, 09:44 P...   Mar 31 2006, 10:20 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 31 2006, 11:20 PM) Wha...   Mar 31 2006, 10:43 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Let's not forget that you'll come down wit...   Apr 1 2006, 09:12 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 1 2006, 10:12 PM...   Apr 1 2006, 09:40 PM
|- - Rem31   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 1 2006, 09:40 PM) B...   Apr 1 2006, 10:48 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Apr 1 2006, 11:48 PM) But ...   Apr 1 2006, 11:00 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 1 2006, 03:40 PM) I...   Apr 2 2006, 08:42 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   I think a lot of the fluff around about water boil...   Apr 2 2006, 11:55 AM
|- - JRehling   I don't know how many ghoulish incidents there...   Apr 2 2006, 08:37 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (JRehling @ Apr 2 2006, 10:37 PM) I...   Apr 3 2006, 06:19 AM
- - Rem31   How long takes it before i die ,when i step on Mar...   Apr 1 2006, 09:32 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Apr 1 2006, 09:32 PM) How ...   Apr 1 2006, 10:03 PM
|- - Rem31   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 1 2006, 10:03 PM...   Apr 1 2006, 11:01 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Apr 2 2006, 12:01 AM) Why ...   Apr 1 2006, 11:06 PM
||- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Apr 1 2006, 11:01 PM) Why ...   Apr 2 2006, 05:15 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 1 2006, 05:03 PM...   Apr 1 2006, 11:42 PM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Apr 2 2006, 12:42 AM...   Apr 2 2006, 04:13 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (paxdan @ Apr 2 2006, 09:13 AM) The...   Apr 2 2006, 04:50 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Derek Sears' recent findings on the rate of li...   Apr 2 2006, 07:40 AM
- - dvandorn   The research I've seen on this issue indicates...   Apr 2 2006, 08:45 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Ooh. I'm not sure if I'd like to see someb...   Apr 2 2006, 09:23 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   In fact, a former Air Force pilot recently sent a ...   Apr 3 2006, 12:30 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 3 2006, 05:30 AM...   Apr 3 2006, 02:31 PM
- - MichaelT   I always found the following NASA link very intere...   Apr 3 2006, 03:26 PM
- - Rem31   And what happens when you are trying to breath in ...   Apr 3 2006, 08:35 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Apr 3 2006, 09:35 PM) And ...   Apr 3 2006, 09:23 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Apr 3 2006, 10:35 PM) And ...   Apr 4 2006, 06:39 AM
|- - MichaelT   QUOTE (tty @ Apr 4 2006, 06:39 AM) the ca...   Apr 4 2006, 07:17 AM
- - Spacely   Hey, guys. Long time lurker, first time poster. T...   Apr 10 2006, 07:01 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Spacely @ Apr 10 2006, 08:01 AM) L...   Apr 10 2006, 11:28 AM
- - edstrick   You die pretty fast. You're blood's above...   Apr 10 2006, 07:46 AM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 10 2006, 01:46 AM) ...   Apr 10 2006, 01:33 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Apr 10 2006, 08:33 ...   Apr 10 2006, 03:17 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Apr 10 2006, 03:17 PM) ...   Apr 11 2006, 06:06 AM
|- - Spacely   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 10 2006, 11:06 P...   Apr 11 2006, 06:24 AM
- - tty   Have a look at this: http://www.dsls.usra.edu/mee...   Apr 10 2006, 06:52 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Yes - very interesting, it's good to get some ...   Apr 10 2006, 07:03 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   With a little effort, and the unknowing assistance...   Apr 11 2006, 05:22 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (tty @ Apr 10 2006, 11:52 AM) That ...   Apr 11 2006, 04:19 PM
- - deglr6328   One can scarcely imagine the unspeakably ghastly h...   Apr 11 2006, 04:39 AM
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