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Apr 17 2006, 04:57 PM
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I thought that it was about time that we start to discuss one of the most important, yet most often ingored, factors affecting Unmanned Spaceflight, namely ITAR. From what I have noted ITAR (International Traffic and Arms Reduction) regulations threaten to disrupt most Space Science missions. Supposedly, ITAR was initiated to stop the flow of info to other nations that would enable them to improve their development of arms. However, its tentacles have now reached into Space Science and UMSF in many ways. I want to hear from members of the UMSF community about ways that ITAR has adversely affected a project. I also want the UMSF community to discuss whether ITAR has become a bureacratic nightmare with no positive effects. One aspect of ITAR that disturbs me is the cover it can provide to those that wish to cloak their goof-ups in SECRECY. The most recent example is NASA's announcement last week that they would not release the Mishap Report for DART. Another example came a couple of years ago when NASA released the CONTOUR Mishap Report with major sections blacked-out, supposedly because of ITAR concerns. Another Phil |
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Apr 19 2006, 09:59 AM
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LOL - I've seen the same program here in the UK - no blurring at all.
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PhilHorzempa ITAR and Secrecy Apr 17 2006, 04:57 PM
Bob Shaw Another Phil:
Yup. It certainly seems to be an ef... Apr 17 2006, 05:05 PM
The Messenger I have been told that the engineering data, relati... Apr 17 2006, 05:16 PM
djellison VEX isn't under ITAR though - ITAR is a US reg... Apr 17 2006, 05:52 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (djellison @ Apr 17 2006, 06:52 PM)... Apr 17 2006, 05:57 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (djellison @ Apr 17 2006, 11:52 AM)... Apr 17 2006, 06:06 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 17 2006, 07:06... Apr 17 2006, 06:50 PM
PhilHorzempa [size=2]
A few more thoughts on ITAR. First... Apr 17 2006, 07:53 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Apr 17 2006, 01:53 ... Apr 17 2006, 08:33 PM
Stephen QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Apr 17 2006, 07:53 ... May 11 2006, 02:12 AM
The Messenger ...Another time we had a reason to contract a cert... Apr 18 2006, 02:29 AM
DDAVIS [quote name='PhilHorzempa' date='Apr 1... Apr 19 2006, 08:51 AM
edstrick I saw what must be a particularly idiotic effect o... Apr 19 2006, 09:54 AM
edstrick To quote King Richard Milhouse the First: ... Apr 19 2006, 10:57 AM
The Messenger The worst problem we have run into that I am aware... Apr 19 2006, 02:54 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 19 2006, 02:54... May 9 2006, 11:45 AM
djellison For the member who decided to private message me s... Apr 19 2006, 07:29 PM
Analyst I have just read Emily's report about the OPAC... May 9 2006, 08:11 AM
Stephen QUOTE (Analyst @ May 9 2006, 08:11 AM) I ... May 9 2006, 09:18 AM

The Messenger QUOTE (Stephen @ May 9 2006, 03:18 AM) Ir... May 9 2006, 01:31 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Analyst @ May 9 2006, 01:11 AM) Do... May 9 2006, 01:47 PM
Borek QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 9 2006, 01:47 PM)... May 12 2006, 09:41 AM
djellison I posted on TPS's Members forum in response to... May 9 2006, 08:56 AM
Analyst QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 9 2006, 01:47 PM)... May 9 2006, 02:34 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Analyst @ May 9 2006, 07:34 AM) Co... May 9 2006, 03:17 PM
Bob Shaw International projects are created for political p... May 9 2006, 05:30 PM
Stephen QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 9 2006, 03:17 PM)... May 10 2006, 01:45 AM
Richard Trigaux mcaplinger, I think we don't need to discuss h... May 9 2006, 06:16 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 9 2006, 11:1... May 9 2006, 07:59 PM
helvick QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 9 2006, 08:59 PM)... May 9 2006, 09:09 PM
RNeuhaus My view, ITAR is the source of many complications,... May 10 2006, 03:06 AM
Richard Trigaux From my personnal experience as working in a subco... May 10 2006, 07:57 AM
Analyst QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 9 2006, 03:17 PM)... May 10 2006, 08:23 AM
The Messenger While it is certainly easier and possibly cheaper ... May 10 2006, 01:47 PM
elakdawalla One thing that's both a benefit and a curse ab... May 10 2006, 08:55 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 10 2006, 01:55 P... May 11 2006, 08:28 PM
Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 11 2006, 08:28 ... May 12 2006, 06:54 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Stephen @ May 11 2006, 11:54 PM) D... May 12 2006, 12:28 PM
Borek QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 12 2006, 12:28 ... May 12 2006, 12:45 PM
djellison There is already an international agreement that l... May 11 2006, 09:04 PM
Analyst If I look at the Apollo spike I wonder how Mr. Gri... May 12 2006, 09:19 AM
djellison This is the problem isnt it
"Go to the moon ... May 12 2006, 11:32 AM
PhilCo126 Lots of 'negative' comments on the ISS her... May 12 2006, 08:13 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ May 12 2006, 01:13 PM)... May 12 2006, 09:08 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 12 2006, 10:08 ... May 12 2006, 10:49 PM
Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 12 2006, 09:08 ... May 15 2006, 01:02 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Stephen @ May 14 2006, 06:02 PM) P... May 15 2006, 03:35 AM

Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 15 2006, 03:35 ... May 15 2006, 12:04 PM

DonPMitchell QUOTE (Stephen @ May 15 2006, 05:04 AM) F... May 15 2006, 02:36 PM

Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 15 2006, 02:36 ... May 18 2006, 08:13 AM

helvick QUOTE (Stephen @ May 18 2006, 09:13 AM) B... May 18 2006, 12:02 PM

Stephen QUOTE (helvick @ May 18 2006, 12:02 PM) S... May 19 2006, 01:41 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Stephen @ May 15 2006, 01:02 AM) P... May 15 2006, 05:58 AM
Stephen QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 15 2006, 05... May 15 2006, 02:06 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (Stephen @ May 15 2006, 10:06 AM) T... May 15 2006, 03:29 PM
remcook http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Moons/The.../Moon... May 13 2006, 12:42 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (remcook @ May 13 2006, 05:42 AM) h... May 13 2006, 12:53 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 13 2006, 06:53 ... May 14 2006, 07:07 PM
BruceMoomaw I am by no means certain that -- even when mass hu... May 18 2006, 11:14 AM
PhilHorzempa Just to get us back on to the subject of ITAR, her... May 19 2006, 05:00 AM
Stephen QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ May 19 2006, 05:00 ... May 19 2006, 07:19 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Stephen @ May 19 2006, 12:19 AM) J... May 19 2006, 02:26 PM
dvandorn Hmmm.... the FOIA defines areas in which "com... May 20 2006, 03:08 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 20 2006, 08:08 AM) ... May 20 2006, 08:05 PM
Analyst QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 20 2006, 08:05 ... May 21 2006, 08:04 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Analyst @ May 21 2006, 01:04 AM) N... May 21 2006, 02:54 PM

The Messenger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 21 2006, 08:54 ... May 21 2006, 04:35 PM
tty QUOTE (Analyst @ May 21 2006, 10:04 AM) t... May 21 2006, 04:17 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Analyst @ May 21 2006, 03:04 AM) R... May 21 2006, 06:07 PM
tty QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 21 2006, 08:07 PM) ... May 21 2006, 07:05 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (tty @ May 21 2006, 12:05 PM) It is... May 21 2006, 09:43 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 21 2006, 03:43 ... May 22 2006, 06:02 PM
ljk4-1 I have to add that Sakharov also had other, much l... May 21 2006, 11:07 PM
edstrick "...Note also that the Russians sent their Na... May 22 2006, 08:09 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (edstrick @ May 22 2006, 04:09 AM) ... May 22 2006, 02:39 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 22 2006, 07:39 A... May 22 2006, 06:57 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 22 2006, 02:57 ... May 23 2006, 12:14 AM

DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 22 2006, 05:14 P... May 23 2006, 12:25 AM
ugordan QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 22 2006, 03:39 P... May 23 2006, 11:06 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ugordan @ May 23 2006, 12:06 PM) I... May 23 2006, 12:53 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 23 2006, 05:53 AM) ... May 23 2006, 03:58 PM
Richard Trigaux many groups...
In France there was the strange st... May 23 2006, 06:31 PM
BruceMoomaw I've heard speculation that John von Neumann w... May 23 2006, 02:07 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 22 2006, 07:07 P... May 23 2006, 06:04 AM
tty QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 23 2006, 04:07 A... May 23 2006, 08:09 PM
Richard Trigaux Believing that the ennemies are too dumb to find w... May 23 2006, 09:46 AM
edstrick Regarding Dr. Strangelove and his gloved hand: Re... May 23 2006, 11:11 AM
PhilHorzempa Now, back to the topic of ITAR. Recently, I saw t... Jun 8 2006, 02:05 AM
DonPMitchell I've noticed that the rocket-cam videos also h... Jun 8 2006, 03:42 AM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 7 2006, 11:42 P... Jun 8 2006, 03:45 AM

DonPMitchell QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Jun 7 2006, 08... Jun 8 2006, 05:01 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 7 2006, 09:42 P... Aug 3 2006, 08:32 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (The Messenger @ Aug 3 2006, 04:32 ... Aug 4 2006, 12:47 AM
helvick QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 4 2006, 01... Aug 4 2006, 12:32 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (helvick @ Aug 4 2006, 08:32 AM) Ji... Aug 4 2006, 12:57 PM
Analyst I saw this docu too. Very strange. Has it been Boe... Jun 8 2006, 07:01 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Analyst @ Jun 8 2006, 12:01 AM) I ... Jun 8 2006, 07:21 AM
Analyst I always thougt the rocketcam "edits" ar... Aug 4 2006, 12:43 PM
djellison I would have thought that as well - you can get qu... Aug 4 2006, 12:46 PM![]() ![]() |
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