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May 3 2006, 05:07 AM
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My purpose in starting this new thread is to review what we know about the demise of the Mars Observer. As most know, the Coffey review board concluded that vapor migration in the propellant lines led to explosive mixing whenthe system was pressurized. However, several other possible scenarios for the mishap were possible, and in my opinion, perhaps, more likely than vapor migration. My 'favorite' alternate model for MO's end concerns the pyro valves on the Mars Observer. As I recall, they were similar to ones on Landsat 6. I have not been able to find a final report for the demise of Landsat 6 on the Internet. However, if my memory is correct, it was concluded that the pyros in the Landsat 6 attitude control system ruptured the propellant lines during the launch process. The Landsat 6 was launched on a Titan 2 and depended on an SRM for the final kick to orbit. Landsat 6's ACS was to control attitude during the solid rocket burn. However, the rupture in the prop lines caused all prop to bleed away. Therefore, the satellite tumbled during the SRM burn, causing it to fall short of orbital velocity. I think that something similar may have happened to the Mars Observer. Another Phil |
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May 7 2006, 04:21 PM
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Ah, but Bob -- suppose you had *two* cats? You gonna call them Cat 1 and Cat 2?
At least when JPL was flying Lunar Orbiters, they only had one in space at a time... and in fact, they *would* have had a hard time with more than one going at once, since they all used the same radio frequencies and command sets. Speaking to LO2 would cause a problem if LO1 was still intact, "awake" and listening. Both would have responded to the same commands. They had the same problems with the Surveyors, and as I recall, they were actually considering postponing some Surveyor flights, waiting for one of the predecessors already on the Moon to finally die. Also, I think that the first series of craft to do something can easily be named after the function it's supposed to perform -- like Lunar Orbiter. Try naming a spacecraft series Lunar Orbiter today, and there would be a flurry of issues. Or, try naming each of the craft orbiting Mars now "Mars Orbiter" -- it would get awfully confusing, awfully quickly... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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PhilHorzempa Mars Observer - What Happened? May 3 2006, 05:07 AM
mchan See recent post by Mike Caplinger --
http://www.u... May 3 2006, 08:40 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ May 2 2006, 10:07 P... May 3 2006, 03:01 PM
The Messenger Since there is no telemetry, there will never be a... May 3 2006, 05:51 PM
djellison Contact with Mars Observer was lost on August 21, ... May 3 2006, 05:56 PM
The Messenger I agree, but consider this: MCO did not undergo an... May 3 2006, 07:57 PM
djellison QUOTE (The Messenger @ May 3 2006, 08:57 ... May 3 2006, 08:33 PM
ljk4-1 I know there is probably no way to determine this,... May 3 2006, 08:15 PM
BruceMoomaw A very thorough failure tree analysis owas done on... May 3 2006, 09:42 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 3 2006, 02:42 PM... May 3 2006, 10:00 PM
BruceMoomaw Oh, I know that. Free or not, however, I seem to ... May 4 2006, 01:02 AM
djellison QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 4 2006, 02:02 AM... May 4 2006, 07:17 AM
PhilHorzempa However, I still do not find the NOAA mishap repor... May 4 2006, 02:41 AM
BruceMoomaw The Landsat-6 report seems to be utterly unobtaina... May 4 2006, 06:17 AM
BruceMoomaw OK, guys: if I'm TOTALLY superfluous in diggin... May 4 2006, 09:59 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 4 2006, 09:59 AM... May 4 2006, 01:51 PM
BruceMoomaw The Langley technical report server seems to be on... May 4 2006, 10:37 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 4 2006, 04:37 AM... May 4 2006, 01:53 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (The Messenger @ May 4 2006, 01:53 ... May 4 2006, 02:07 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (The Messenger @ May 4 2006, 06:53 ... May 4 2006, 03:07 PM
djellison QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 4 2006, 04:07 PM)... May 4 2006, 05:51 PM
ljk4-1 A book I recommend for everyone on this forum is:
... May 4 2006, 02:30 PM
BruceMoomaw For the life of me, I cannot see how gravitational... May 4 2006, 10:25 PM
ljk4-1 I think Mars Observer failed because it wasn't... May 5 2006, 02:29 PM
BruceMoomaw Nonsense. That didn't demoralize the Lunar Or... May 5 2006, 09:22 PM
djellison Bruce - he was being funny....relax
Doug May 5 2006, 10:09 PM
BruceMoomaw I know. What the hell do you think I was trying t... May 6 2006, 03:39 AM
djellison I don't know. Your post just did not sound at... May 6 2006, 06:45 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, for Heaven's sake, Douglas. You think I... May 6 2006, 08:35 AM
ljk4-1 Maybe that's why the HAL 9000 really went off ... May 6 2006, 06:54 PM
Bob Shaw My much-missed old cat was called 'Cat' - ... May 7 2006, 03:13 PM
mchan OTOH, the operators of the GPS and Iridium constel... May 8 2006, 12:30 AM![]() ![]() |
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