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May 4 2006, 04:35 PM
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May 19 2006, 01:03 PM
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Here's the peculiarity noted after landing by the electrical sensors of HASI -- mentioned in two places on the Web. First, Emily mentions it in her blog entry on the first day of last September's DPS meeting ( http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000227/ ):
"There were two little mysteries that Marcello [Fulchignoni] mentioned, but didn't explain. First, his instrument included a permittivity sensor. Permittivity is one physical property you can measure for a substance, having to do with how much it resists the flow of an electric charge. Well, HASI recorded an increase in the permittivity of the Titan surface at 12 minutes after impact. They don't know what it means, and are working first to rule out anything that might be coming from within Huygens to cause that observation. Second, he mentioned that they MAY be seeing some electrical discharge events (read: lightning) in their data. Again, though, they must first rule out anything that was happening aboard the spacecraft as the cause." The same thing is mentioned on a Powerpoint slide at last September's Titan Conference ( http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/titanconference...ts2/wrk.062.ppt ), with a graph: "The study of the dielectric properties of materials in the ELF range provides useful information about the surface of planetary environments. Furthermore, the permittivity of many solids and liquids is function of frequency and temperature. From Figure 4, it is possible to identify the impact on the surface and the variation of both amplitude and phase shift. Furthermore, 12 min after landing, a sudden variation both in phase shift and amplitude has been observed, more visible on the phase shift and at lower frequencies... "The nature of the event observed 12 min after impact on the surface is not understood. Several possibilities are studied, namely mechanical, electrical and surface properties variations." OK. Was any other event seen by Huygens at that time? Well, there seems to have been no shift in the rate of the very slight, slow change in the craft's post-landing tilt angle at that time -- and, while, the methane level sensed by the GCMS rose dramatically during the first 2 minutes after landing, it then levelled off completely again for the rest of the probe's stay on the surface ( http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/...nature04122.pdf , Fig. 3). But: there is one other change that does show up at about the same time -- which can be seen on pg. 21 of Dan Harpold's presentation on the GCMS results at last September's Harsh-Environment Mass Spectrometry Workshop ( http://cot.marine.usf.edu/hems/workshop/Wo...day/Harpold.pdf ): the amount of ethane detected started rising at about the same time, and the amount of CO2 just a few minutes later. I have no idea what this might signify, but it is definitely worthy of note. |
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jsheff New Huygens descent views May 4 2006, 04:35 PM
volcanopele I started a new thread with this info, so I am jus... May 4 2006, 04:41 PM
helvick QUOTE (volcanopele @ May 4 2006, 05:41 PM... May 4 2006, 05:41 PM
Rakhir ESA press release
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMKVQ... May 4 2006, 04:45 PM
ljk4-1 How long before there is a similar print on Titan?... May 4 2006, 05:21 PM
JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 4 2006, 10:21 AM... May 4 2006, 06:05 PM

paxdan awesome doesn't do justice. It is a hell of a ... May 4 2006, 06:43 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 4 2006, 09:21 AM... May 4 2006, 10:18 PM
volcanopele A high-resolution version of the movie (both silen... May 4 2006, 06:00 PM
helvick QUOTE (volcanopele @ May 4 2006, 07:00 PM... May 4 2006, 09:34 PM
Richard Trigaux What is interesting is that at last they suceeded ... May 5 2006, 06:12 AM
The Messenger http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08117
... May 8 2006, 04:12 AM
BruceMoomaw Most of those "exposures" were simply sp... May 8 2006, 05:26 AM
Matt QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 4 2006, 06:21 PM... May 9 2006, 08:17 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Matt @ May 9 2006, 09:17 PM) J, al... May 9 2006, 08:44 PM
ugordan Looking at another thread showing the surface of V... May 15 2006, 07:19 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (ugordan @ May 15 2006, 01:19 AM) I... May 15 2006, 01:57 PM
ngunn While we're still free to guess here's min... May 15 2006, 02:56 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ngunn @ May 15 2006, 03:56 PM) Whi... May 15 2006, 03:06 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 15 2006, 04:06 PM) ... May 15 2006, 03:32 PM
BruceMoomaw Bar-Nun's pre-landing lab tests repeatedly con... May 16 2006, 01:34 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 15 2006, 07:34 P... May 17 2006, 04:47 AM
ngunn Some more interesting questions:- How much of the... May 16 2006, 08:13 AM
BruceMoomaw It may clear it to some extent -- but the raindrop... May 17 2006, 04:14 AM
ngunn QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 17 2006, 05:14 A... May 17 2006, 08:29 AM
BruceMoomaw I would now be very hesitant to say that we didn... May 18 2006, 01:00 AM
ngunn QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 18 2006, 02:00 A... May 18 2006, 09:44 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2006, 10:44 AM) Tha... May 18 2006, 10:55 AM
Bob Shaw Here are the images from today's New Scientist... May 18 2006, 02:27 PM
djellison QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 18 2006, 03:27 PM) ... May 18 2006, 03:35 PM
BruceMoomaw First, on the altitude of Titan's clouds, see ... May 18 2006, 11:55 AM
ngunn Fascinating stuff, thanks Bruce. Just one nit-pick... May 18 2006, 12:27 PM
helvick QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2006, 01:27 PM) Fas... May 18 2006, 01:03 PM
ngunn I think someone is using a definition of scale hei... May 18 2006, 01:47 PM
helvick QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2006, 02:47 PM) I t... May 18 2006, 02:17 PM
ngunn QUOTE (helvick @ May 18 2006, 03:17 PM) G... May 18 2006, 03:02 PM
helvick Yep - you're dead right there. The scale heigh... May 18 2006, 03:33 PM
ngunn QUOTE (helvick @ May 18 2006, 04:33 PM) Y... May 18 2006, 04:00 PM
remcook The scale height changes with altitude, since temp... May 18 2006, 02:02 PM
BruceMoomaw Yep, I did get the scale height figure for Titan f... May 18 2006, 02:13 PM
The Messenger Another curiosity in this report is the electrical... May 18 2006, 04:16 PM
BruceMoomaw Quoting the HASI team's article in the Dec. 8 ... May 19 2006, 12:23 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 19 2006, 09:03 A... May 19 2006, 07:24 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 19 2006, 07:24 P... May 19 2006, 09:49 PM
BruceMoomaw And here's some more recent stuff on the last-... May 19 2006, 01:18 PM
ngunn The only probe-induced event I can think of is dow... May 19 2006, 02:17 PM
The Messenger It is curious that there was not a significant cha... May 19 2006, 08:55 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (The Messenger @ May 19 2006, 09:55... May 19 2006, 09:05 PM
edstrick Obviously, the permittivity change and the gas emi... May 20 2006, 10:34 AM
BruceMoomaw Either that, or that penguin who turns up in a cou... May 20 2006, 04:18 PM
The Messenger I ran the permittivity question past a guru, who h... May 22 2006, 08:25 PM
JTN An idle query:
In the narrated video release which... Jun 17 2006, 08:39 PM
tfisher QUOTE (JTN @ Jun 17 2006, 03:39 PM) An id... Jun 18 2006, 01:37 PM
edstrick Since the sun is minimally (if at all) visible at ... Jun 19 2006, 08:40 AM
ngunn I've spent some time trying to imagine how a h... Jun 19 2006, 12:52 PM
ugordan I guess it all comes down to contrast. The sun is ... Jun 19 2006, 01:17 PM
ngunn QUOTE (ugordan @ Jun 19 2006, 02:17 PM) S... Jun 19 2006, 01:55 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 19 2006, 07:55 AM) I... Jun 19 2006, 03:46 PM
ngunn QUOTE (The Messenger @ Jun 19 2006, 04:46... Jun 19 2006, 04:22 PM
djellison It's a cloud day outside - your average large ... Jun 19 2006, 02:07 PM
climber Dear All,
I received recently my monthly copy of ... Oct 10 2006, 08:53 PM
djellison Is it the same as this:
http://sci.esa.int/science... Oct 10 2006, 09:04 PM
climber QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 10 2006, 11:04 PM)... Oct 10 2006, 09:22 PM![]() ![]() |
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