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May 25 2006, 05:03 AM
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OK, I'm in that unpopular camp that believes that the Breakthrough Propulsion Program should never be funded again -- we should not spend any money on Heim Theory, gyroscopic antigravity, space elevators, antimater engines, Bussard ramjets, black hole engines, UFO research, and zero-point energy. I have a radical alternative proposal.
Instead of using Wired Magazine physics to get to the stars, I'd like to use The Feynman Lectures physics to get to the stars. I propose building a craft powered by atomic fission. The engine would be a high-current linear ion accelerator, consisting of a superconducting niobium cavity resonator like this one, to get a nice healthy relativistic exhaust velocity. [attachment=5855:attachment] [attachment=5854:attachment] Next, we crack open a good book, like Taylor & Wheeler's Spacetime Physics, and figure out how long it would take to get a real spaceship to Alpha Centuri. What is the relativistic form to Tsiolkovsky's Rocket Equation? (OK, T&W does that for you) How much Plutonium would it have to carry? How much ionizable reaction mass? I guarentee you, this hypothetical ship will get to the nearest star long before anyone invents a warp drive. Maybe I should ask NASA for $1.6 million, to develop this idea? |
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Jun 5 2006, 04:13 AM
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It's interesting that 86 percent of the energy from a fission event is carried away by charged particles, mostly the large fission fragments. Being charged, they can be moved around somewhat by electromagnetic field.
Whatever became of the fission fragment triode? Wasn't that supposed to be an extremely efficiently means of converting nuclear energy directly into electricity? |
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Jun 5 2006, 07:11 AM
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It's interesting that 86 percent of the energy from a fission event is carried away by charged particles, mostly the large fission fragments. Being charged, they can be moved around somewhat by electromagnetic field. The problem with fission fragments is their very large mass. Something on the order of 100 a.u. This gives a very poor velocity compared to the immense energy the nucleus has (something like 80 MeV on average). It would be much more feasible to use this to heat smaller molecules (like the H2O proposal before) than to collimate the nuclei themselves as rocket exhaust. -------------------- |
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Jun 5 2006, 08:14 PM
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The problem with fission fragments is their very large mass. Something on the order of 100 a.u. This gives a very poor velocity compared to the immense energy the nucleus has (something like 80 MeV on average). It would be much more feasible to use this to heat smaller molecules (like the H2O proposal before) than to collimate the nuclei themselves as rocket exhaust. But in the context of intersteller travel, I don't think any kind of thermal expansion of gas can hope to achieve the relativistic exhaust velocities you need. Schemes like Orion also essentially use the fission fragments directly for exhaust. But if the fission-fragment triode can be perfected, to make electricity efficiently, then I think high-speed ion drives might be appealling. The kinetic energy of fission fragments are around 170 MeV. I bet even for Strontium and Krytpon nuclei, they are booking along pretty fast! |
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Jun 5 2006, 08:43 PM
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The kinetic energy of fission fragments are around 170 MeV. Yes, the total kinetic energy of both fragments. I was implying the average energy of one fragment. -------------------- |
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DonPMitchell The Low Road to Alpha Centauri May 25 2006, 05:03 AM
dilo Interesting, Don. I do not recall similar idea on ... May 25 2006, 05:29 AM
deglr6328 ....of course you know that linacs and synchrotron... May 25 2006, 05:41 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (deglr6328 @ May 24 2006, 10:41 PM)... May 25 2006, 06:46 AM
dilo QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 25 2006, 06:46 ... May 25 2006, 05:53 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 25 2006, 05:03 ... May 25 2006, 08:06 AM
ugordan QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 25 2006, 09... May 25 2006, 09:21 AM
deglr6328 I guess possibly a superconducting linac (any curv... May 25 2006, 08:27 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ May 25 2006, 08:27 AM)... May 25 2006, 10:48 AM
Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 25 2006, 05:03 ... May 25 2006, 10:35 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Stephen @ May 25 2006, 10:35 AM) ... May 25 2006, 11:05 AM
Bob Shaw Don:
Never mind the stars - think what a decent p... May 25 2006, 12:47 PM
algorimancer There's an easy and high efficiency option tha... May 25 2006, 01:20 PM
Chmee QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 25 2006, 09:20 ... May 25 2006, 03:59 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Chmee @ May 25 2006, 11:59 AM) A g... May 31 2006, 08:32 PM
DonPMitchell Fusion releases more energy, but fusion reactors d... May 25 2006, 04:46 PM
AndyWard How about Zubrin's Nuclear Salt Water Rocket?
... May 25 2006, 06:13 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (AndyWard @ May 25 2006, 11:13 AM) ... May 25 2006, 07:35 PM
Richard Trigaux WAAAAAH! Its Zubrin, it's mad, and it work... May 25 2006, 07:58 PM
Stephen QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 25 2006, 07... May 26 2006, 02:08 AM
remcook I thought nuclear reactor were saver to launch tha... May 26 2006, 08:28 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (remcook @ May 26 2006, 08:28 AM) I... May 26 2006, 11:06 AM
DonPMitchell Fusion power is great, I'm all for it. But so... May 27 2006, 06:39 AM
Bob Shaw Don:
VASIMR looks kind of sensible.
Bob Shaw May 27 2006, 12:15 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 27 2006, 05:15 AM) ... May 27 2006, 03:33 PM
newbie >Fission reactors are up to about 50% efficienc... May 27 2006, 06:11 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (newbie @ May 27 2006, 06:11 AM) ... May 27 2006, 06:32 AM
BruceMoomaw Rather grim news on the space elevator front -- a ... May 27 2006, 11:56 AM
BruceMoomaw A MUCH better one (predictably) is Poul Anderson... May 31 2006, 11:03 PM
jsheff Here's another idea:
As someone here previousl... Jun 3 2006, 09:10 PM![]() ![]() |
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