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May 29 2006, 08:15 AM
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Oppy looks like to be stuck in a dune once more!
The front wheels (rover was moving backwards into the dune) look to be closer to solid surface than during the purgatory incident, so hopefully they can back out pretty quickly. I know this is already being discussed in the other thread, but I think this way the incident is clearer to a casual reader of the forum. Threads of nearly 1000 posts clog the discussion anyway. http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...GBP1151R0M1.JPG http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...GBP1311R0M1.JPG inline images changed to links. 2048 x 1024 of images clogs discussions as well - Doug -------------------- Antti Kuosmanen
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May 29 2006, 02:35 PM
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> It seams to me that rear weels didn't get stucked, do you agree on this?
This is an "enhanced rhaz" image; if the wheels are stucked or not is something we'll know once they put the reverse. > Anyway, are the measurements you show been taken on front weels, all weels? All wheels I would say. > Just wondering what's the logic Oppy's got when she feels she's gona be stucked : stop all weels and wait or what else? Afaik, there is no "felling I'm gonna be stucked" but something like: - Take a navcam image - Command an X meters drive (X may be 5, 10, or some meters) - Take a navcam image and calculate the actual driven distance - If slippage (actual distance / planned distance) is greater then <param> abort drive, otherwise repeat next cicle. We also had pictures of the same sol from Pancam and Navcam. Do you know if Oppy's programmed to shot this kind of pictures even she detect a "big" slipage problem or if the pictures have been taken before been stucked in this case? Those pics are post-drive images, taken once the rover finished the drive normally or not. But the terrain here looked so easy, I wouldn't be suprised if they blind-drived it for 25m. Just bad luck really. This is a partial pancam mosaic taken on sol 828, two moves before the current position, in which I encircled the current location. It really looks easy, doesn't it? Except for a "fluffy" texture, I wouldn't say anything against going through this path. |
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akuo Opportunity in a sandtrap, again May 29 2006, 08:15 AM
djellison A whole lot of doom and gloom when we don't kn... May 29 2006, 08:19 AM
jamescanvin I agree Doug it's not anywhere near as bad a P... May 29 2006, 08:32 AM
jamescanvin Assuming it was (Edit: it was, thanks Tesh) - the ... May 29 2006, 08:44 AM
akuo The rear wheels don't seem to be as deep in th... May 29 2006, 08:58 AM
Ant103 Okay Akuo. This significate that it's not desp... May 29 2006, 09:18 AM
climber I must admit that the situation is not clear to me... May 29 2006, 09:35 AM
akuo QUOTE (climber @ May 29 2006, 09:35 AM) I... May 29 2006, 09:55 AM
Myran Indeed jamescanvin, it was supposedly 24 m of driv... May 29 2006, 10:12 AM
Vladimorka This is what happens when JPLers don't follow ... May 29 2006, 10:35 AM
djellison where's the 24m figure coming from?
Doug May 29 2006, 10:46 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2006, 08:46 PM)... May 29 2006, 12:10 PM
PhilCo126 Hopefully no Purgatory-Dune scenario !
It took... May 29 2006, 10:49 AM
ustrax QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ May 29 2006, 11:49 AM)... May 29 2006, 10:52 AM
djellison Ahh - it may well be that 24m was the expected dri... May 29 2006, 12:20 PM
Tesheiner I have the impression that those numbers are deriv... May 29 2006, 12:22 PM
jamescanvin I don't think that's the case Doug - there... May 29 2006, 12:30 PM
Tesheiner Just one remark about the z axis, James.
I think -... May 29 2006, 12:35 PM
jamescanvin You could be right, I assumed it was down by the r... May 29 2006, 12:45 PM
jamescanvin Here is the tracking data for Purgatory and the No... May 29 2006, 01:03 PM
Sunspot How did it happen? I thought they put lots of dri... May 29 2006, 01:52 PM
djellison QUOTE (Sunspot @ May 29 2006, 02:52 PM) H... May 29 2006, 02:29 PM
climber A few questions :
It seams to me that rear weels d... May 29 2006, 01:53 PM
climber [quote name='Tesheiner' date='May 29 2... May 29 2006, 08:01 PM
djellison I think the visidom combo they use is essentially ... May 29 2006, 02:46 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2006, 09:46 AM)... May 29 2006, 07:17 PM
jamescanvin QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2006, 12:46 AM)... May 29 2006, 09:29 PM
ustrax Where are we? Doesn't look like the same place... May 30 2006, 09:30 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2006, 07:30 PM) Wh... May 30 2006, 12:10 PM
ustrax Thanks for clarifying that james. May 30 2006, 12:55 PM
Tesheiner Speaking of "when should we expect a backward... May 29 2006, 04:13 PM
Bill Harris This sort of mishap is not unexpected. Although t... May 29 2006, 04:52 PM
Oersted Can't believe this, obviously one of the rover... May 29 2006, 06:30 PM
lyford Pardon me if I missed this info - I am scanning th... May 29 2006, 06:27 PM
djellison QUOTE (lyford @ May 29 2006, 07:27 PM) Th... May 29 2006, 06:50 PM
akuo QUOTE (lyford @ May 29 2006, 06:27 PM) Pa... May 29 2006, 06:54 PM
Shaka Do the MER drive motors have variable speed?
If... May 29 2006, 06:51 PM
djellison QUOTE (Shaka @ May 29 2006, 07:51 PM) D
I... May 29 2006, 07:08 PM
djellison Yes - a few months ago we were talking about how t... May 29 2006, 07:29 PM
Tesheiner > Thanks so much M.Tesheiner to have taken time... May 29 2006, 08:59 PM
climber [quote name='Tesheiner' date='May 29 2... May 29 2006, 09:09 PM
djellison one of many quite old images coming down the pipe,... May 30 2006, 09:36 AM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2006, 10:36 AM)... May 30 2006, 10:05 AM
Shaka QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2006, 12:05 AM) Aa... May 30 2006, 05:33 PM
akuo Might as well be from the afternoon pass, since th... May 30 2006, 09:43 AM
SigurRosFan Nice break.
- http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/op... May 30 2006, 10:32 AM
Tesheiner Speaking of slippage detection & driving modes... May 30 2006, 02:58 PM
ilbasso We're just killing time here to ensure that Op... May 30 2006, 03:23 PM
ustrax Words from Mr. Squyres:
'We don't think s... May 30 2006, 04:57 PM
BrianL QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2006, 10:57 AM) Wo... May 30 2006, 05:37 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2006, 11:57 AM) Wo... May 30 2006, 08:01 PM
djellison Ustrax emailed him. He replied.
Doug May 30 2006, 06:46 PM
akuo Jeez, nice going Ustrax. Nice to hear it from Stev... May 30 2006, 07:06 PM
Tman Yea good to hear that!
I guess they'll s... May 30 2006, 07:22 PM
Tesheiner It's good to hear that they are not really con... May 30 2006, 07:49 PM
Nix Thanks Ustrax, nice to hear from Steve himself.
... May 30 2006, 07:52 PM
fredk Thanks for passing that along, Ustrax!
There ... May 30 2006, 10:26 PM
jamescanvin Plan for Sol 835:
CODESol Seq.Ver ETH ESF EDN EF... May 30 2006, 11:34 PM
ustrax QUOTE (fredk @ May 30 2006, 11:26 PM) Tha... May 31 2006, 09:58 AM
CosmicRocker Thanks for mentioning the official update, fredk. ... May 31 2006, 03:56 AM
Bill Harris To that Oy Vey, I can only add "ribbet".... May 31 2006, 04:18 AM
Martial What do you think about this new picture ?
http... May 31 2006, 05:01 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (Martial @ May 31 2006, 11:01 AM) W... May 31 2006, 06:04 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Martial @ May 31 2006, 12:01 PM) W... May 31 2006, 07:06 PM
Stephen I was more impressed by this one:
http://qt.explo... Jun 1 2006, 01:35 AM
Stephen Incidently, speaking of that last entry of mine th... Jun 1 2006, 01:51 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Stephen @ May 31 2006, 08:51 PM) I... Jun 1 2006, 02:35 AM
dilo QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 1 2006, 02:35 AM) G... Jun 1 2006, 05:09 AM
Joffan I don't think Opportunity backed up at any poi... May 31 2006, 07:44 PM
RNeuhaus Yes or no. The pictures there are two tracks, are... May 31 2006, 08:01 PM
Joffan QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ May 31 2006, 02:01 PM) ... May 31 2006, 10:36 PM
alan CODE 836 p1214.05 2 0 0 2 0 4 front_haz_... May 31 2006, 08:42 PM
djellison Plenty of lessons learnt at purgatory - they know ... May 31 2006, 09:01 PM
fredk How's this for some wild speculation: the bed... May 31 2006, 10:14 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 1 2006, 12:14 AM) How... Jun 1 2006, 08:44 AM
jamescanvin Some colour shots of this mess.
Jun 1 2006, 02:08 AM
Stephen QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 1 2006, 02:08 AM... Jun 1 2006, 02:48 AM
jamescanvin And in false colour.
Jun 1 2006, 02:30 AM
jamescanvin The two Navcam frames stitched.
EDIT: Replaced wi... Jun 1 2006, 03:00 AM
Tesheiner New images available; the backwards manouver has s... Jun 1 2006, 07:42 AM
Stephen QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 1 2006, 07:42 AM) ... Jun 1 2006, 09:48 AM
akuo Yay! Oppy moves!
http://qt.exploratorium.... Jun 1 2006, 07:43 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (akuo @ Jun 1 2006, 02:43 AM) Yay... Jun 1 2006, 02:58 PM
Tesheiner An animated gif.
Jun 1 2006, 07:49 AM
Bill Harris For reasons we do not completely understand now, s... Jun 1 2006, 09:41 AM
Tesheiner More important than absolute movement is the slipp... Jun 1 2006, 10:02 AM
fredk A few details here from New Scientist on Oppy... Jun 1 2006, 05:56 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 1 2006, 07:56 PM) A fe... Jun 1 2006, 08:01 PM
SigurRosFan QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 1 2006, 07:56 PM) A fe... Jun 1 2006, 08:07 PM
jvandriel Opportunity looking at the wheeltracks.
Mosaic ... Jun 1 2006, 07:44 PM
Tesheiner Sol 837 is planned as driving sol; same/similar se... Jun 1 2006, 07:52 PM
Joffan I hope someone has remembered to disable or even i... Jun 1 2006, 08:00 PM
akuo I was thinking that JPL could implement a sort of ... Jun 1 2006, 08:03 PM
djellison To be honest Akuo - it would take just as long to ... Jun 1 2006, 08:26 PM
akuo At least it would be ready for the next time Oppy ... Jun 1 2006, 08:29 PM
Nix QUOTE (akuo @ Jun 1 2006, 10:03 PM) ...
B... Jun 1 2006, 09:03 PM
BillyMER Oh great another investigation,how long this time ... Jun 1 2006, 10:49 PM
WindyT QUOTE (BillyMER @ Jun 1 2006, 10:49 PM) [... Jun 2 2006, 06:15 AM
alan QUOTE If the rover does extricate itself, mission ... Jun 2 2006, 12:21 AM![]() ![]() |
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