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May 29 2006, 08:15 AM
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Oppy looks like to be stuck in a dune once more!
The front wheels (rover was moving backwards into the dune) look to be closer to solid surface than during the purgatory incident, so hopefully they can back out pretty quickly. I know this is already being discussed in the other thread, but I think this way the incident is clearer to a casual reader of the forum. Threads of nearly 1000 posts clog the discussion anyway. http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...GBP1151R0M1.JPG http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...GBP1311R0M1.JPG inline images changed to links. 2048 x 1024 of images clogs discussions as well - Doug -------------------- Antti Kuosmanen
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Jun 11 2006, 04:40 PM
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While I well buy into the hypothesis that older, filled in small craters might lend themselves to being filled with less compacted "soil", I'd like to propose a thought that there were dune building stages, and that at least one of the later stages deposited material that hasn't compacted well... or well enough, in the case of Opportunity. I read the abstract that was recently linked to off of this forum suggesting the current winds are less than half of what created most of the dunes -- I'm not a dune morphology expert, but could a different set of winds, represented by those transverse dunes we're now seeing more of, move some of the material in such a fashion that it hasn't had the time(?)/conditions to compact to the same level as the more compacted dune material? Perhaps move more of a particular source contributing material, one with a higher percentage of material that doesn't compact quite so much?
Or is it just a coincidence that this latest "sandtrap" occurred on the lee side of one of the transverse dunes? Obviously the transverse dunes weren't apparent in the earlier "sandtrap" events for Opportunity, but that doesn't negate the possibility that lenses of the lesser compacted material may have been shaped by wind "regimes" taking place over time. If so, I would also propose a final "scattering winds" event that covers the surface difference between various dune making events, hiding the transitions from the cameras on Opportunity. An alternative theory would be for lenses of evaporite ejecta (not so much "vaporized" as "pulverized by the time it lands") covered by a light coating of dune material, where that pulverized stuff never would compact properly for whatever reason. This I would think would be more easily proven or disproven, and I don't lend credence to this "pulverized evaporite that never got a chance to compact" line of thinking, but realize it's also an idea that might be thought through. And all of this pre-supposes that there are measurable differences between the compaction rates of dune material, and not merely just Opportunity breaking through when turning. |
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akuo Opportunity in a sandtrap, again May 29 2006, 08:15 AM
Tman Bingo! Shouldn't Oppy receive a nickname s... Jun 6 2006, 02:00 PM
mhoward Well, that wasn't too hard. Here's a view ... Jun 6 2006, 02:19 PM
Tesheiner > I wonder if they can add a check after the tu... Jun 6 2006, 02:37 PM
Castor Is it just the lighting angle or do the latest rea... Jun 6 2006, 03:50 PM
kenny I don't think it's just the viewing angle,... Jun 6 2006, 04:06 PM
mhoward Just messing around a bit... here are some large-s... Jun 6 2006, 05:04 PM
RNeuhaus
I am trying to figure out about what the tracks w... Jun 6 2006, 05:21 PM
MaxSt QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 6 2006, 01:21 PM) S... Jun 6 2006, 07:04 PM
Joffan You still have this idea that Oppy moved backwards... Jun 6 2006, 07:59 PM
RNeuhaus Right! Joffan I realized it. Oppy didn... Jun 6 2006, 08:03 PM
Bill Harris The surface looked quite firm and passable until O... Jun 6 2006, 08:08 PM
Tesheiner No spare time; the imaging campaing starts on sol ... Jun 6 2006, 08:10 PM
climber [quote name='Tesheiner' date='Jun 6 20... Jun 6 2006, 08:15 PM
Tesheiner LOCO means either LOw COmpression or LOssless COmp... Jun 6 2006, 08:23 PM
climber [quote name='Tesheiner' date='Jun 6 20... Jun 6 2006, 08:29 PM
odave QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 6 2006, 04:23 PM) ... Jun 8 2006, 01:57 PM
Joffan I was looking for a picture of the track that the ... Jun 6 2006, 08:26 PM
dot.dk And now they got a name for this dune.
newscienti... Jun 6 2006, 09:10 PM
Shaka Do the loco-motion with me
Yeah
Yeah, Yeah, You k... Jun 6 2006, 09:13 PM
climber [quote name='Shaka' date='Jun 6 2006, ... Jun 6 2006, 09:24 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 6 2006, 01:13 PM) [OT,... Jun 6 2006, 09:30 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 6 2006, 10:13 PM) Do t... Jun 8 2006, 01:22 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 8 2006, 03:22 AM) S... Jun 8 2006, 06:52 PM
climber [quote name='Shaka' date='Jun 8 2006, ... Jun 8 2006, 08:37 PM
Oersted Well, let me be the first Dane here to say "w... Jun 6 2006, 09:28 PM
Oersted And well, guys, you better practise your Danish (I... Jun 6 2006, 09:45 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Oersted @ Jun 6 2006, 11:45 AM) An... Jun 6 2006, 10:22 PM

ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 6 2006, 02:22 PM) gulp... Jun 6 2006, 11:41 PM
ustrax QUOTE (Oersted @ Jun 6 2006, 10:45 PM) An... Jun 9 2006, 09:38 AM
mchan I didn't think the navigation team for Pilling... Jun 9 2006, 10:12 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (mchan @ Jun 9 2006, 06:12 AM) I di... Jun 9 2006, 03:51 PM
CosmicRocker It looks like the drivers made a perfect move. Op... Jun 7 2006, 02:30 AM
Shaka HooooooooRrrAAAAAHHH!
Hey, Doug, I thought yo... Jun 7 2006, 03:54 AM
deglr6328 Yaaaay. this calls for celebration.
here is a d... Jun 7 2006, 08:04 AM
climber This one's for you Bob !
Remember: Time ... Jun 7 2006, 08:30 AM
jvandriel It was the result of driving backwards.
jvandri... Jun 7 2006, 08:45 AM
Tesheiner First navcam pic of P-III (aka Jammerbugt).
Jun 7 2006, 02:41 PM
Castor QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 7 2006, 03:41 PM) ... Jun 7 2006, 03:46 PM
Joffan QUOTE (Castor @ Jun 7 2006, 09:46 AM) The... Jun 7 2006, 05:27 PM
Myran QUOTE Shaka wrote: Hey, Doug, I thought you promis... Jun 7 2006, 02:50 PM
Tesheiner > The bright soil shows up well in the left han... Jun 7 2006, 04:05 PM
fredk QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 7 2006, 04:05 PM) ... Jun 7 2006, 05:58 PM
climber [quote name='Tesheiner' date='Jun 7 20... Jun 7 2006, 07:54 PM
RNeuhaus Good to be back free again from "Bay of Lamen... Jun 7 2006, 05:17 PM
Tesheiner I'm eager to see a color pan of VC too. IIRC t... Jun 7 2006, 07:50 PM
dot.dk A look at "Jammerbugt" after todays side... Jun 8 2006, 01:45 PM
Tesheiner ... and a mosaic on the "main" thread. Jun 8 2006, 01:52 PM
alan Maybe I'm being paranoid but I don't like ... Jun 9 2006, 04:09 PM
BrianL QUOTE (alan @ Jun 9 2006, 10:09 AM) Maybe... Jun 9 2006, 05:18 PM
ElkGroveDan I think a lot of these "purgatory" probl... Jun 9 2006, 06:18 PM
BrianL QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jun 9 2006, 12:18 PM... Jun 9 2006, 08:58 PM
Tesheiner Can't add anything; I think too this is the ro... Jun 9 2006, 07:45 PM
Joffan EGD: So Opportunity keeps getting stuck because Sp... Jun 9 2006, 08:22 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 9 2006, 12:22 PM) EGD... Jun 9 2006, 09:58 PM
Tesheiner Remember that Opportunity has a stuck *steering* a... Jun 9 2006, 08:44 PM
BrianL QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 9 2006, 02:44 PM) ... Jun 11 2006, 03:32 PM
climber I agree with what you all say recentely. In French... Jun 9 2006, 10:44 PM
Joffan EGD: I humbly apologise for my faulty memory on wh... Jun 9 2006, 10:58 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 9 2006, 02:58 PM) EGD... Jun 9 2006, 11:34 PM
RNeuhaus Not yet I totally understand about the new situati... Jun 9 2006, 11:05 PM
CosmicRocker Yes, 7 degrees toward the left, or inward, iirc. ... Jun 11 2006, 05:15 AM
Shaka I like the analysis, Tom. Jun 11 2006, 05:50 AM
Zeke4ther I too find your analysis interesting. But I feel ... Jun 11 2006, 06:56 AM
kenny Having recently been walking over late spring snow... Jun 11 2006, 07:35 AM
CosmicRocker Thank you all, for commenting. I think that this ... Jun 11 2006, 08:51 AM![]() ![]() |
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