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"Corner Crater", - Interesting stop or a waste of time? |
May 29 2006, 09:10 PM
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As suggested in the "Victoria and her features" thread, we can discuss here the possible visit to Corner Crater (or whatever it will be called) [[ETA: now officially confirmed as "Beagle Crater"]].
Personally I think this will be a valuable stop, worth at least a run around 1/4 of the crater rim and a few days of MIs. Understanding the cratering process on Mars, especially the weathering afterwards, by examining craters of different ages can only enhance the understanding of the data we collect in other places. |
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Jun 21 2006, 04:02 AM
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I wanted to make a couple of quick comments. I agree with dvandorn that the edge of the ejecta blanket behind Beagle Crater should make a very interesting science target, worthy of some time to study it. As Doug pointed out, there is also a lot of other science/investigation to be done around here, but I don't know if the decision makers will allow 20 sols for it. I also agree with CryptoEngineer (and perhaps others) who pointed out in the other thread that the ejecta blanket south of Beagle appears to be a bluff, but that a ramped approach to Victoria is available slightly to the east. That seems quite apparent in the MOC anaglyph of the area which I am attaching.
I believe our recently verbose and enthusiastic friend earlier requested anaglyphs of Beagle. I had made some from the longer baseline stereo-pairs provided by fredk and dilo. An extended baseline pair was an excellent idea, guys! I found it difficult to come to a firm conclusion about Beagle's near/far visibility when I first studied the anaglyphs. But then I realized I should look to the MOC orbital imagery for help. On those, it seems obvious that there was a taller pile of stuff around its southeast side than anywhere else. After realizing that and going back to the anaglyphs made from fredk's and dilo's stereo-pairs, I convinced myself that most of the elevated rim we are seeing on Beagle is on the far side. Those two darker rocks we have been seeing are on the near side. There also appears to be a somewhat darker and lower rim on the near side. An elevated southeast far rim is also consistent with the low western extension we see. (whoops, had to edit to correct an incorrect file attachement) -------------------- ...Tom
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Jun 21 2006, 07:17 AM
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I believe our recently verbose and enthusiastic friend earlier requested anaglyphs of Beagle. He did, indeed, and, ever true blue, you came through! Thanx, Tom! (I hope that rings of enthusiasm; I'll save the verbosity for later.) QUOTE I found it difficult to come to a firm conclusion about Beagle's near/far visibility when I first studied the anaglyphs. But then I realized I should look to the MOC orbital imagery for help. On those, it seems obvious that there was a taller pile of stuff around its southeast side than anywhere else. After realizing that and going back to the anaglyphs made from fredk's and dilo's stereo-pairs, I convinced myself that most of the elevated rim we are seeing on Beagle is on the far side. Those two darker rocks we have been seeing are on the near side. I usually prefer to leave this eye-strain exercise to Dilo, Rod and Tesh, who revel in it, but thought I had committed myself to taking a shot. I looked at your first (stretched) anaglyph for quite a while, and eventually convinced myself that the third bright peak from the left end of BC, looked closer than those on either side. I can't see much to indicate height in the MOC image, though it seems apparent that the near rim casts a shadow over the majority of the crater bottom. I couldn't calculate sun angles the way Tesh might, but it at least suggests to me that the near rim has some height. In spite of that, when I inverted the MOC view of BC to line it up with the Oppster view, I thought I could see a number of feature correspondences that do put some of the high peaks at the back: I could be quite wrong in this, because the MOC and Oppy viewpoints are 90 degrees out. Everything we see from Oppy could be near rim, but for now I'm supporting a near/far split. -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Joffan "Corner Crater" May 29 2006, 09:10 PM
climber Thanks Joffran, I agree with this new topic.
I thi... May 29 2006, 09:14 PM
Bob Shaw Hopefully, CC will open a window into the local st... May 30 2006, 08:36 AM
Bill Harris QUOTE Understanding the cratering process on Mars,... May 30 2006, 02:35 AM
Nix Here's a simple anaglyph, vertical exaggeratio... May 30 2006, 07:22 AM
djellison Corner crater might make an interesting venue for ... May 30 2006, 08:55 AM
MaxSt Corner Crater is very interesting.
High contrast... May 30 2006, 09:05 PM
Bill Harris Here is a de-anaglyphed stereo pair derived from N... May 31 2006, 04:38 AM
Joffan QUOTE (Bill Harris @ May 30 2006, 10:38 P... May 31 2006, 10:44 PM
CosmicRocker I tried to post a more thoughtful reply here last ... May 31 2006, 04:46 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ May 31 2006, 06:46 ... May 31 2006, 08:26 AM
Bill Harris Well put, Tom. My first informal-name for Corner ... May 31 2006, 05:09 AM
Ant103 I think that Corner Crater is an interesting spot.... May 31 2006, 07:37 AM
Shaka QUOTE (Ant103 @ May 30 2006, 09:37 PM) I ... May 31 2006, 05:39 PM
Bill Harris Corner gives us a cross-section through the outer ... May 31 2006, 11:04 AM
RNeuhaus The CC is a very original crater. The whitest ones... May 31 2006, 08:14 PM
ustrax QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ May 31 2006, 09:14 PM) ... May 31 2006, 08:52 PM
kenny What a pleasant, chatty leisurely thread this is, ... May 31 2006, 09:31 PM
Shaka ....gasp...whew....'scuse me while I catch my ... May 31 2006, 10:35 PM
Bill Harris Before the left half of the crater about 2/3 to 3/... Jun 1 2006, 02:12 AM
Joffan I'll agree on a boulder aligned with the east ... Jun 1 2006, 04:08 PM
Nix The dark feature on the horizon, has this been vis... Jun 1 2006, 09:39 PM
atomoid QUOTE (Nix @ Jun 1 2006, 09:39 PM) The da... Jun 1 2006, 09:57 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Nix @ Jun 1 2006, 01:39 PM) The da... Jun 2 2006, 12:19 AM
Bill Harris This is what I think we're looking at. These ... Jun 1 2006, 10:34 PM
Joffan I agree that the rough patch on the horizon is the... Jun 1 2006, 11:50 PM
dvandorn In re the discussion of crater morphologies, speci... Jun 3 2006, 05:15 AM
Shaka QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 2 2006, 07:15 PM) I... Jun 3 2006, 06:29 AM
Bob Shaw We've not really had the chance to examine sma... Jun 3 2006, 02:11 PM
dvandorn Good points, Bob. And Shaka, as for the importanc... Jun 3 2006, 04:02 PM
Shaka QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 3 2006, 06:02 AM) I... Jun 3 2006, 06:06 PM
dvandorn Agreed -- though, to be fair, the MERs were specif... Jun 3 2006, 06:16 PM
Shaka QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 3 2006, 08:16 AM) S... Jun 5 2006, 07:32 PM
kenny QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 3 2006, 06:15 AM) I... Jun 3 2006, 06:47 PM
Joffan I was looking through the new pancams after Oppy... Jun 7 2006, 03:41 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 7 2006, 05:41 AM) I w... Jun 7 2006, 06:02 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 7 2006, 04:41 PM) I w... Jun 8 2006, 11:41 AM
WindyT Could the study of the outlying ejecta from CC end... Jun 8 2006, 05:41 PM
Shaka I would think it quite possible to learn about rel... Jun 8 2006, 06:25 PM
ustrax Fresh news from the front:
First I asked Steve Sq... Jun 8 2006, 07:08 PM
Mizar ustrax, thanks for sharing this.
Direct communicat... Jun 8 2006, 07:42 PM
Joffan Beagle Crater... hmm, I like it.
Image of beagle ... Jun 8 2006, 08:53 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 8 2006, 10:53 AM) Bea... Jun 8 2006, 09:03 PM
dilo Time to return on target:
Sol843 - stitched and me... Jun 8 2006, 09:08 PM
Shaka QUOTE (dilo @ Jun 8 2006, 11:08 AM) Time ... Jun 8 2006, 09:21 PM
Tesheiner Beagle crater, that's ok; but it'll always... Jun 8 2006, 08:56 PM
climber I'm afraid the other Beagle ended up making a ... Jun 8 2006, 09:09 PM
Bill Harris Thanks for the merged & stretched look-ahead i... Jun 8 2006, 10:32 PM
RNeuhaus When I see the surface from Oppy to Corner Crater ... Jun 9 2006, 03:53 AM
Shaka QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 8 2006, 05:53 PM) W... Jun 9 2006, 04:28 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 8 2006, 11:28 PM) Exce... Jun 9 2006, 04:39 AM
Shaka QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 8 2006, 06:39 PM) G... Jun 9 2006, 04:58 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 9 2006, 05:39 AM) G... Jun 9 2006, 02:49 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 9 2006, 09:49 AM) R... Jun 9 2006, 03:26 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 9 2006, 07:26 AM) b... Jun 9 2006, 03:43 PM
Joffan For cross-eyed stereo fans, here's a view of t... Jun 8 2006, 11:45 PM
hendric Well, if the wind is more turbulent maybe we'l... Jun 9 2006, 05:28 AM
Shaka QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 8 2006, 07:28 PM) We... Jun 9 2006, 06:27 AM
Shaka QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 8 2006, 08:27 PM) Re M... Jun 9 2006, 06:43 AM
Stu Hmmmm, Beagle Crater... like it! Nice though... Jun 9 2006, 07:39 AM
Joffan Bob: If you have any pull, man, I'm sure it... Jun 9 2006, 03:08 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 9 2006, 04:08 PM) Bob... Jun 9 2006, 03:23 PM
RNeuhaus Oppy has started to ride toward south but the foll... Jun 9 2006, 04:02 PM
ustrax QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 9 2006, 05:02 PM) O... Jun 9 2006, 04:07 PM
fredk Here's a long-baseline cross-eye image of Beag... Jun 12 2006, 05:03 PM
dilo fredk, we had same idea but I used Sol 833/846, so... Jun 12 2006, 08:18 PM
Stu Thanks for those views fred, very intriguing! ... Jun 12 2006, 08:18 PM
Bill Harris I look at the current ripples as "choppy seas... Jun 12 2006, 10:51 PM
RNeuhaus The CC has dented rim. It is funny. I am not sure ... Jun 13 2006, 02:54 AM
kenny I was assuming that the width of CC (Beagle) was d... Jun 13 2006, 07:28 AM
RNeuhaus Now Oppy is still between 518-541 meters from Corn... Jun 13 2006, 04:22 PM
dilo Sol849 stack of left+right images, with noise redu... Jun 15 2006, 06:08 AM
Shaka QUOTE (dilo @ Jun 14 2006, 08:08 PM) Sol8... Jun 15 2006, 06:36 AM
FIN Mars http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p...DPP24... Jun 15 2006, 09:59 AM
Joffan QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 18 2006, 06:46 PM) ... Jun 19 2006, 06:53 PM
elakdawalla Could someone fill me in -- and my apologies if th... Jun 19 2006, 07:11 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 19 2006, 09:11 P... Jun 20 2006, 07:45 AM
dot.dk We got the name from Steve himself with help from ... Jun 19 2006, 07:25 PM
elakdawalla Woops, don't know how I missed that, thank you... Jun 19 2006, 07:29 PM
Joffan QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 18 2006, 08:21 PM) ... Jun 19 2006, 10:13 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 19 2006, 05:13 PM) An... Jun 20 2006, 03:03 AM
djellison Here's my Beagle Crater Itinery
Arrival Sol ... Jun 20 2006, 07:59 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 19 2006, 11:59 PM)... Jun 20 2006, 07:25 PM
Shaka QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jun 20 2006, 09:25 A... Jun 20 2006, 09:35 PM
Phil Stooke A pic of Beagle using two pancams from the latest ... Jun 20 2006, 12:47 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 20 2006, 02:47 A... Jun 20 2006, 06:53 PM
Joffan Either way.
If the going to her majesty VC looks ... Jun 20 2006, 11:00 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Joffan @ Jun 20 2006, 01:00 PM) Wo... Jun 20 2006, 11:17 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 21 2006, 12:17 AM) Hor... Jun 21 2006, 12:01 AM
dvandorn Doug, I think your schedule sounds perfect. It wi... Jun 21 2006, 12:00 AM
helvick QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 21 2006, 01:00 AM) ... Jun 21 2006, 06:40 AM
dvandorn Me, either, Bob. Now, pardon me, I'm having H... Jun 21 2006, 12:06 AM
Shaka [Condition Yellow]
[Condition Yellow] Jun 21 2006, 02:21 AM
RNeuhaus Tom:
I have taken your cropped picture to save m... Jun 21 2006, 04:47 AM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 21 2006, 05:47 AM) ... Jun 21 2006, 12:21 PM

climber [quote name='Shaka' date='Jun 21 2006,... Jun 21 2006, 09:28 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jun 21 2006, 06:02 ... Jun 21 2006, 10:05 AM
Shaka Note: Does anyone else have trouble getting the ... Jun 21 2006, 07:24 PM![]() ![]() |
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