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Early Mariner failures
Guest_PhilCo126_*
post Jun 1 2006, 01:27 PM
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Well, we know that Mariner I failed because of a fault in the internal guidance computer ... but that was a mission to Venus ...
What about Mariner III and its nose cone separation failure ?
Who manufactures the shroud ...
The manufacturer of the shroud itself might have been JPL as they produced the spacecraft.
The Atlas launch vehicle was build by CONVAIR ( Consolidated Vultee Aircraft Corporation ), which became later part of General Dynamics ...
The Agena upper stage was developed by Lockheed for the USAF ...
Probably NASA-JPL had to build the shroud as they knew best how to fit in the tiny spacecraft wink.gif

Any suggestions ?
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post Jun 3 2006, 02:28 AM
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Actually, last night I finally screwed my courage (or my stupidity) to the sticking-place and downloaded that entire damned 350-Mbyte JPL review of the early stages of the Mariner Mars 1964 program just to get the straight dope on the shroud -- and got about 20 pages on that subject. I've just skimmed it so far, but it seems to imply that:

(1) The main responsibility for designing the initial faulty shroud (as part of a major year-long program to develop a new lightweight shroud for all Atlas-Agena D probes) apparently actually fell to the Lewis Research Center, whereas Lockheed was mainly responsible for the crash effort to build the new Mariner 4 version. (Fortunately, everyone was on the ball -- the correct theory for the failure, which was that the fiberglass skin had peeled loose, was devised only a day after the failure and proven by tests only a couple of days later.)

(2) The failure can't be put down to serious negligence, as I had previously thought. As that earlier brief Web comment indicated, the failure was due only to a combination of launch frictional heating and vacuum. They had thoroughly tested the shroud for each one separately, but not for both at once -- and established procedure didn't call for them to do so. In short, like the subtle Ranger 6 failure, it looks more like Just One of Those Things.
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post Jun 3 2006, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 2 2006, 09:28 PM) *
(2) The failure can't be put down to serious negligence, as I had previously thought. As that earlier brief Web comment indicated, the failure was due only to a combination of launch frictional heating and vacuum. They had thoroughly tested the shroud for each one separately, but not for both at once -- and established procedure didn't call for them to do so. In short, like the subtle Ranger 6 failure, it looks more like Just One of Those Things.


So, assuming it had happened in today's environment, ITAR would have prevented any publishing of the investigation?

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- PhilCo126   Early Mariner failures   Jun 1 2006, 01:27 PM
- - tedstryk   QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Jun 1 2006, 01:27 PM) ...   Jun 1 2006, 01:34 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 1 2006, 02:34 PM) M...   Jun 1 2006, 01:49 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 1 2006, 06:49 AM) T...   Jun 1 2006, 05:26 PM
- - PhilCo126   Please stick to the topic of Mariner III guys ...   Jun 1 2006, 02:46 PM
- - tasp   Was Mariner 3 the one where the insulation lining ...   Jun 1 2006, 03:28 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (tasp @ Jun 1 2006, 11:28 AM) Was M...   Jun 1 2006, 06:37 PM
- - DonPMitchell   All I could find in the NASA tech reports was a lo...   Jun 1 2006, 04:24 PM
- - PhilCo126   Well I’ve checked my ‘vintage photos’ collection a...   Jun 1 2006, 05:02 PM
- - PhilCo126   Old NASA books, technical reports and photos are a...   Jun 1 2006, 05:35 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep -- the one where a pressure buildup inside the...   Jun 1 2006, 10:40 PM
- - PhilCo126   Correct Bruce ! JPL and the American Space Pr...   Jun 2 2006, 01:53 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Actually, last night I finally screwed my courage ...   Jun 3 2006, 02:28 AM
- - hendric   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 2 2006, 09:28 PM...   Jun 3 2006, 05:09 PM


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