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Early Mariner failures |
| Guest_PhilCo126_* |
Jun 1 2006, 01:27 PM
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Well, we know that Mariner I failed because of a fault in the internal guidance computer ... but that was a mission to Venus ...
What about Mariner III and its nose cone separation failure ? Who manufactures the shroud ... The manufacturer of the shroud itself might have been JPL as they produced the spacecraft. The Atlas launch vehicle was build by CONVAIR ( Consolidated Vultee Aircraft Corporation ), which became later part of General Dynamics ... The Agena upper stage was developed by Lockheed for the USAF ... Probably NASA-JPL had to build the shroud as they knew best how to fit in the tiny spacecraft Any suggestions ? |
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| Guest_BruceMoomaw_* |
Jun 3 2006, 02:28 AM
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Actually, last night I finally screwed my courage (or my stupidity) to the sticking-place and downloaded that entire damned 350-Mbyte JPL review of the early stages of the Mariner Mars 1964 program just to get the straight dope on the shroud -- and got about 20 pages on that subject. I've just skimmed it so far, but it seems to imply that:
(1) The main responsibility for designing the initial faulty shroud (as part of a major year-long program to develop a new lightweight shroud for all Atlas-Agena D probes) apparently actually fell to the Lewis Research Center, whereas Lockheed was mainly responsible for the crash effort to build the new Mariner 4 version. (Fortunately, everyone was on the ball -- the correct theory for the failure, which was that the fiberglass skin had peeled loose, was devised only a day after the failure and proven by tests only a couple of days later.) (2) The failure can't be put down to serious negligence, as I had previously thought. As that earlier brief Web comment indicated, the failure was due only to a combination of launch frictional heating and vacuum. They had thoroughly tested the shroud for each one separately, but not for both at once -- and established procedure didn't call for them to do so. In short, like the subtle Ranger 6 failure, it looks more like Just One of Those Things. |
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Jun 3 2006, 05:09 PM
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(2) The failure can't be put down to serious negligence, as I had previously thought. As that earlier brief Web comment indicated, the failure was due only to a combination of launch frictional heating and vacuum. They had thoroughly tested the shroud for each one separately, but not for both at once -- and established procedure didn't call for them to do so. In short, like the subtle Ranger 6 failure, it looks more like Just One of Those Things. So, assuming it had happened in today's environment, ITAR would have prevented any publishing of the investigation? -------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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PhilCo126 Early Mariner failures Jun 1 2006, 01:27 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Jun 1 2006, 01:27 PM) ... Jun 1 2006, 01:34 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 1 2006, 02:34 PM) M... Jun 1 2006, 01:49 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 1 2006, 06:49 AM) T... Jun 1 2006, 05:26 PM
PhilCo126 Please stick to the topic of Mariner III guys ... Jun 1 2006, 02:46 PM
tasp Was Mariner 3 the one where the insulation lining ... Jun 1 2006, 03:28 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (tasp @ Jun 1 2006, 11:28 AM) Was M... Jun 1 2006, 06:37 PM
DonPMitchell All I could find in the NASA tech reports was a lo... Jun 1 2006, 04:24 PM
PhilCo126 Well I’ve checked my ‘vintage photos’ collection a... Jun 1 2006, 05:02 PM
PhilCo126 Old NASA books, technical reports and photos are a... Jun 1 2006, 05:35 PM
BruceMoomaw Yep -- the one where a pressure buildup inside the... Jun 1 2006, 10:40 PM
PhilCo126 Correct Bruce !
JPL and the American Space Pr... Jun 2 2006, 01:53 PM![]() ![]() |
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