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Jun 1 2006, 04:30 PM
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Hi,
as june begins, time to open this thread... As said before there will be another Iapetus campaign in the second half of this month - from 17th until 27th. Unfortunately the minimum distance will only be around 1,3 mio. km, resolution about 8,1 pxl/km. Also the short Celestia-animation again:
Iapetus_june_2006.avi.html ( 373K )
Number of downloads: 816Just remove *.html and run the avi-file preferably on a DIVX-player. Bye. |
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Jun 1 2006, 08:49 PM
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Junior Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 14-June 05 From: Cambridge, MA Member No.: 411 |
Hi, as june begins, time to open this thread... As said before there will be another Iapetus campaign in the second half of this month - from 17th until 27th. Unfortunately the minimum distance will only be around 1,3 mio. km, resolution about 8,1 pxl/km. Also the short Celestia-animation again:
Iapetus_june_2006.avi.html ( 373K )
Number of downloads: 816Just remove *.html and run the avi-file preferably on a DIVX-player. Bye. That's very cool! Thank you. I've used Celestia before but not to the extent of simulating a flyby. Now that I know it can be done, I'm going to use it. - John Sheff |
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Jun 3 2006, 02:45 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1688 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
Greetings,
Thought I'd mention that I'm continuing to work on some map refinements, particularly to improve the consistency of features near the S/SE boundary of Cassini Regio. The lumpy shape of Iapetus, especially at high southern latitudes, makes it a bit challenging to reproject images onto consistent map locations given the assumption of a spherical (or even ellipsoidal) shape. I wonder if it's worth the exercise of improving my software to optionally include a shape model. Does anyone happen to have an extra shape model for Iapetus lying around? Perhaps I can learn to generate one myself using limb and/or feature fitting? -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jun 7 2006, 07:38 PM
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Jun 8 2006, 06:04 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 3242 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Greetings, Thought I'd mention that I'm continuing to work on some map refinements, particularly to improve the consistency of features near the S/SE boundary of Cassini Regio. The lumpy shape of Iapetus, especially at high southern latitudes, makes it a bit challenging to reproject images onto consistent map locations given the assumption of a spherical (or even ellipsoidal) shape. I wonder if it's worth the exercise of improving my software to optionally include a shape model. Does anyone happen to have an extra shape model for Iapetus lying around? Perhaps I can learn to generate one myself using limb and/or feature fitting? What are you assuming for the ellisoidal shape? Are using a=747.1, b=749, c=712.6? -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Jun 8 2006, 06:50 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1688 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
VP,
It turns out I'm still using a spherical shape for Iapetus. I recently noted both a triaxial one (probably the one you mention) as well as an oblate spheroid one using a Google search of some literature. The two were so different I wasn't sure how much benefit using either would be. Perhaps the one you mention is more recent? The main point is that even a triaxial ellipsoid may be only a rough approximation in the vicinity of both the south polar region and the belly band. Perhaps its worth a try though. I have so far used triaxial ellipsoids just in my Mimas and Enceladus map processing. At any rate I've managed to get some improved consistency of the features in southern CR in my latest map update at http://laps.noaa.gov/albers/sos/sos.html#IAPETUS. This version includes PIA08164 from the April flyby. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jun 8 2006, 07:25 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 3242 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
The one I quoted is the most recent one from cassini observations and is in Thomas et al. 2006 (from LPSC, abtract 1639). See if that helps you any.
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Jun 12 2006, 08:36 PM
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Jun 15 2006, 07:47 PM
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Jun 18 2006, 07:58 PM
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Jun 21 2006, 10:03 AM
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Jun 23 2006, 09:28 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi,
CASSINI transmitted further 31 Iapetus images. Some widefield pics are also among them - maybe some positioning control or do they probably try to find some Iapetus coorbitals? But these should be about 30° before or behind Iapetus... This was taken: June 21st - 11 tele/4 widefield pics June 22nd - 14 tele/2 widefield pics Here two takeouts , ~3x enlargement: Date: 2006-06-22 Distance: 1.398.591 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 Date: 2006-06-22 Distance: 1.398.128 km Filters: P60 and MT2 And a widefield view: Date: 2006-06-22 Distance: 1.396.785 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 Overview through the Solar System Simulator: Bye. |
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Jun 23 2006, 12:12 PM
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Looking good!
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Jun 23 2006, 02:34 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Some widefield pics are also among them - maybe some positioning control or do they probably try to find some Iapetus coorbitals? But these should be about 30° before or behind Iapetus... Make that 60°... definitely much more than the wide angle field of view. This was a long exposure image, perhaps for optical navigation purposes. -------------------- |
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Jun 23 2006, 06:20 PM
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Jun 24 2006, 11:05 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi,
back again with some weird pics from Iapetus... An astonishing number of 151 images was taken on june 23rd alone. But there are 124 among them showing only star fields - no Iapetus at all! And these are no widefields! Have a look for yourself... Are they probably trying to find some Iapetus moons? Or are thes pics taken at the Lagrangian points? This was taken: 124 starfields 7 widefields 14 tele pics 6 half-Iapetian overexposures (3 of each half) Here some takeouts, ~3x enlargement: Date: 2006-06-23 Distance: 1.343.121 km Filters: CL1 and IR3 Date: 2006-06-23 Distance: 1.343.092 km Filters: P120 and UV3 Note, the 'Moat / Snowman' is slowly getting visible at the right limb! Here two overexposured halfs stacked together: Date: 2006-06-23 Distance: ~1.343.200 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 Overview through the Solar System Simulator: Bye. |
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Jun 24 2006, 02:26 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 2-July 05 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 426 |
You might be right about the idea of looking for Iapetan Trojans. Notice that there is a fair amount of "smear" in these images. They might be deliberately rotating the camera during the exposure, to keep the Lagrange point steady in the image while the spacecraft moves. (If I remember right, this was the technique that was used to find the first few small KBOs in the 1990s.)
Looking for Iapetan Trojans is a worthwhile endeavour -- if any are found, that'd have some pretty important implications for the evolution of Iapetus' orbit over time. Since Cassini doesn't have much else to photograph all the way out there (other than Iapetus) this'd be a good time to do it. |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:21 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
I don't see why being near Iapetus would make a better opportunity than any other point in the orbit. The potential trojans aren't that close to the moon anyway. The area of the sky needed to be surveyed is probably pretty large which would require WAC coverage (thus you can't catcg very small objects) or many NAC footprints.
The huge number of empty starfield images seems to me to be another case of bad pointing. It seems as if something threw Cassini's attitude off balance, see this image for example. It was obviously 'tracking' something, but pretty erratically. In some other NAC frames Iapetus is just barely in the field of view. It might be the case of ISS riding along some other instrument that slews across Iapetus and empty space, like CIRS or the sort. Maybe volcanopele can shed some more light on this. -------------------- |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:27 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1688 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
Triton-Antares' top image in post #16 is nice to see as the features near the S edge of CR below the center are all grouped together in one image. In many of the previous images one sees just a subset of these features near the limb or terminator. This may be helpful in checking image navigation, etc.
-------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jun 25 2006, 11:01 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi,
the next Iapetus image series is online, this time 47 pics. This was taken: 24 starfields 6 widefields 17 tele pics including 3 overexposures Here some takeouts, ~3x enlargement: Date: 2006-06-24 Distance: 1.368.986 km Filters: CL1 and IR3 Date: 2006-06-24 Distance: 1.416.632 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 Hence CASSINI is slowly diverging from Iapetus, really too bad that the 'Moat / Snowman' is now getting more and more visible at the right limb... Overview through the Solar System Simulator: Btw., any news on those starfield images? Bye. |
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Jun 25 2006, 01:45 PM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi,
I'm still curious about those starfield images, but I don't believe that they're tracking errors. In many pics Iapetus is pointed exactly! The only sense for taking those starfields I could guess is the finding of moons in the vicinity of Iapetus or Iapetian trojans 60° apart. 120° field of view from Saturn showing Iapetus and CASSINI, the Lagrangian points therefore are at the left and right image border: Of course CASSINI is not at one of those Lagrangian points but as close to them as it can get in its orbit and there is plenty of time to take these photographs now even if there is no other target than Iapetus. Bye. |
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Jun 25 2006, 02:01 PM
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Hi, I'm still curious about those starfield images, but I don't believe that they're tracking errors. In many pics Iapetus is pointed exactly! The only sense for taking those starfields I could guess is the finding of moons in the vicinity of Iapetus or Iapetian trojans 60° apart. Bye. Cassini might be looking for plumes . . . . . (btw, there won't be any plumes at Iapetus, but it is good science to take the images and confirm) |
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Jun 25 2006, 02:50 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
I don't buy it. Plumes would be very hard to spot from this phase angle. You'd still have to watch Iapetus' limb, not point in a random direction.
This new image batch is precisely pointed as you suggest, but that doesn't preclude the possibility they did one of those Inertial Vector Propagator updates in the meantime. Though, I'm more inclined to say it looks like a sequencing error than bad ephemeris at this time. -------------------- |
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Jun 25 2006, 06:27 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the ESA Cassini trajectory/simulation page is still reasonably accurate? Here's the link:http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMD6E2VQUD_0.html
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Jun 26 2006, 09:19 AM
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Jun 28 2006, 09:41 AM
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Hi,
Four additional pics have been transmitted, 2 WACs and NACs. Here a Takeout, ~3x enlargement: Date: 2006-06-27 Distance: 1.942.690 km Filters: CL1 and UV3 Sad, as the 'Snowman' is getting more and more visible the image details are vanishing... Note the bulge - probably a mountain range or the outer rim of a bassin - at the right limb at roughly 4 o'clock! View through the Solar System Simulator: Btw., Tilmann Denk informed me on a german forum that those widefields taken during the last days were actually done to find small moons in the vicinity of Iapetus. One widefield is able to catch the the so called Hill-sphere around Iapetus. The NACs were taken additionally in the same area, but due to time and memory reasons it was not manageable to cover the whole area around Iapetus with those 'footprints'. Let me add that no pics at the Lagrangian points were taken. Bye. |
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Jun 28 2006, 01:29 PM
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I tried to stack the image. Another image would have helped.
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Jul 1 2006, 05:14 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 2-July 05 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 426 |
This seems to be just about "it" for Iapetus encounters until the targeted flyby in September of next year. Cassini will get within a couple of million kilometres of Iapetus a few more times before then, but we won't really be seeing anything new, or closer views of things already seen, on those occasions.
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Jul 3 2006, 04:20 PM
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This seems to be just about "it" for Iapetus encounters until the targeted flyby in September of next year. Cassini will get within a couple of million kilometres of Iapetus a few more times before then, but we won't really be seeing anything new, or closer views of things already seen, on those occasions. Here a collection of Iapetus far-encounters I found until September 2007 using Solar System Viewer: 2006-09-03 / 1.816.000 km: ~11 km/pxl; sub-Saturn Iapetus as we are used to observe it. 2006-09-15 / 2.288.000 km: ~13 km/pxl; Moat/Snowman in center Interesting sight, hopefully some OPNAVs! 2006-11-27 / 1.997.000 km: ~12 km/pxl; very low phase, sub-Saturn And again the same Iapetus regions... 2006-12-11 / 2.699.000 km: ~16 km/pxl; half phase, rim of eastern CR at terminator All known territory, distance too far... 2007-01-18 / 2.565.000 km: ~15 km/pxl; cresent, Moat/Snowman at terminator Quite interesting view, but probably too far away. 2007-02-14 / 2.249.000 km: ~13,5 km/pxl; sub-Saturn Once again Iapetus as we are used to observe it. 2007-03-25 / 2.614.000 km: ~15,5 km/pxl; sub-Saturn Iapetus in the dark, maybe some limb topogaphics visible. 2007-04-15 / 2.256.000 km: ~13,5 km/pxl; Moat/Snowman and northern hemisphere Interesting perspective of some badly known regions, but quite far away... 2007-06-22 / 1.817.000 km: ~11 km/pxl; sub-Saturn Iapetus in the dark again, maybe some limb topogaphics visible. 2007-07-05 / 2.281.000 km: ~14 km/pxl; Moat/Snowman and unknown southern giant bassin For sure the most interesting perspective, sadly only 2 months before the fly-by. Even though all these encounters are between 1,8 and 2,7 mio km, there are some perspectives we haven't seen so far. I'm curious about which opportunities will be taken to look again at this saturnian moon?! Bye. |
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Jul 3 2006, 06:47 PM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 6-November 05 From: So. Maryland, USA Member No.: 544 |
Thanks, TritonAntares, for putting together that Iapetus itinerary and all the image summaries. I have the feeling that any images that are taken during those passes will be more frustrating than informative. But with this moon, frustration is half the fun!
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Jul 24 2006, 06:47 PM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi,
I've just checked the CASSINI image gallery and found these two pics transmitted at the begin of july: Here the takeouts, ~4x enlargement: Date: 2006-07-06 Distance: 4.375.899 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 View through the Solar System Simulator: --------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2006-07-08 Distance: 4.585.762 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 View through the Solar System Simulator: Unfortunately there has no unknown terrain been mapped... Bye. |
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Aug 3 2006, 12:30 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi,
I've just noticed this image release: ![]() Date: 2006-06-25 Distance: ~ 1.6 mio. km Resolution: 9 km per pixel Very nice work... Bye. |
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Aug 22 2006, 10:25 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Orion arm Member No.: 516 |
Hi after a longer time!
CASSINI is occasionally taking Iapetus images, three have been transmitted during august so far: Here the takeouts, ~4x enlargement: Date: 2006-08-14 Distance: 4.671.693 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 View through the Solar System Simulator: --------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2006-08-19 Distance: 2.694.772 km Filters: CL1 and CL2 Note the dark rings of the 'moat'/'snowman'... View through the Solar System Simulator: Btw., closed approach for this orbit will be on sep-02: No new lands... Bye. |
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Aug 23 2006, 10:13 AM
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