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[Guest_Myran_*]

Sometimes I wonder if certain people really got the qualifications for their job, this is one such.
Mr John Barentine who works at the Apache Point Observatory have come up with a theory that a native american petroglyph depicts the supernova of the year 1006, yes 1000 years ago.
One of the reasons he think this is a depiction of a supernova is that it got something that looks like a star, well native american often used that shape.
What worries me is that Mr Barentine think that the image of a scorpion in the pertroglyph are some kind of proof.
The supernova appeared in the constellation Lupus (the wolf) which are located quite near Scorpius (The scorpion) but.....
The constellation we see are derived from cultures in the eastern Mediterranean (while the star names we use often are arabic). But the native americans are rather unlikely to see the same constellations as those from the old world. In short a small fact that make the theory derail completely.

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[Guest_Richard Trigaux_*]

Thanks Myran for your native wisdom. Nice to see other people than just standard americans/europeans.

It is true that in Mongolia and Siberia thre are peoples who are ancestors of native americans.

Some other strange bits of info.

I remember an article about a kitovac village, papago tribe, where the native told the archeologists a story of their ancestors having killed a mamooth. They were even able to tell the place, and arcaeologists found there... mamooth bones, carcon14 dated 2000 years before. memory!

In another place on west coast, indians were telling a story of a "storm" where the sea invaded the land. of course colonists though it was just a "legend". But the explanation was found: a huge earthquake, centuries before, where the land subsided and was invaded by the sea.

Europeans set foot in America far before Christopher Colombus. We are sure the Vikings did centuries before, remnants of their dwellings were found. But others could have do the trip: any ship losing control along coasts of Morocco, Spain, France, England, is brought to the Caraïbes into about two months. This happened recently with a small ship, two persons aboard, one survived the trip. So it is possible that, casually, Egyptians, Romans or others (Gaelics, Wisigoths, early Christians) could have landed in America. They had no direct descendants (mostly where men) but they could have a strong influence on Indian people, up to start the civilizations in central America.

I don't remember the references, but recently in an Aztec or Maya tomb were found two jars of roman style. This is not astonishing at all, given the previous possibility.

But there are other stories which are more difficult to explain "rationally", such as, I don't remember which people of America, have a story of flying gods landing on their ground to tell them wisdom.

[Rob Pinnegar]

In another place on west coast, indians were telling a story of a "storm" where the sea invaded the land. of course colonists though it was just a "legend". But the explanation was found: a huge earthquake, centuries before, where the land subsided and was invaded by the sea.

This is very likely a reference to the oral traditions of some of the native people on the British Columbia coast, which includes a story about a huge earthquake that happened just after sundown in wintertime. There is geological evidence of an earthquake in that area about 300 years ago, and Japanese tsunami records indicate a quake in the Pacific on January 16th, 1700 that (if it occurred near Vancouver) would have taken place at about 9:40 PM local time.

One of the geophysicists at University of Victoria (on Vancouver Island) gave a talk on this a few years back at the university I was attending at the time. A nice piece of detective work. Very nice.