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Jul 6 2006, 04:07 AM
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Perhaps most of us will never be a PI on one of NASA's Discovery, New Frontiers or Flagship missions. However, let's not have that stop us, the UMSF community from suggesting, and describing, mission concepts that have been rattling around in our brains for some time. I'll start the ball rolling. My fantasy mission (Discovery or NF class?) would be the Jupiter Flyer 1. This would be an unmanned airplane, named after the Wrights' first airplane, that would fly through the atmosphere of Jupiter. Its exterior would be covered with cameras, showing views in all directions as it glided through the atmosphere looking for thermals. I know that most talk of Jupiter probes concerns deep atmospheric probes, such as the one on the Galileo mission. However, I want to see photos of towering cumulo-nimbus clouds, not just streams of numbers on P, T and composition. That's it in a nutshell. Are there any more takers? Another Phil |
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Jun 1 2008, 04:31 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Here's another thought I floated earlier, but may bear repeating: How about a Mars orbiter equipped to detect transient events?
What I'm thinking here is a wide-field camera coupled with moving target indication software, operating in real time (no recording unless commanded). After substracting the inherent overfly motion of the spacecraft, any detected movement over a 1-5 sec timeframe triggers a narrow field cam to zoom in & record the event...landslide, CO2 geyser, dust devil, streak formation, meteor impact...hot spring emission?... Scientifically and pragmatically, understanding the currently active processes on Mars seems crucial for formulation of long-term exploration strategies. Hard to do that well without establishing the frequency and complete nature of such events. Also, from a marketing standpoint, can you imagine a more exciting orbiter mission? -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Jun 2 2008, 02:51 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 10-December 06 From: Atlanta Member No.: 1472 |
Here's another thought I floated earlier, but may bear repeating: How about a Mars orbiter equipped to detect transient events? Very interesting idea. However, it will be technically challenging. To catch most transient events, you need a relatively high resolution (e.g. CTX-like). Having a wide area coverage with such as resolution probably needs a telescope like LSST. Even if you can get such a behemoth into the Mars orbit, the amount of data it generates needs a supercomputer to process. A typical RAD6000 computer used in most of the recent Mars probes is orders of magnitude weaker than needed for this task (in fact, it is not even as powerful as a common PDA). Now, looking for meteor impact is another story. I guess it is technically feasible. You need a relatively low-resolution IR telescope (it might be even better if it only looks at the night side, maybe park it in L2 point). IIRC, the expected impact frequency is 10-20/yr. As such low rate, it might be difficult to justify the expense and trouble of such a mission, even if it has a discovery price tag. |
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Jun 2 2008, 06:10 AM
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A typical RAD6000 computer used in most of the recent Mars probes is orders of magnitude weaker than needed for this task.... Use a RAD750 then. Very nearly 10x the processing power of a RAD6000. For the sort of number crunching involved or this - you would have a FPGA on the instrument itself anyway. Think of the FPGAs on HiRISE processing 28.6 megapixels per ccd per second. I'm sure if the need was there, it could be done with no problems at all. |
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PhilHorzempa Suggestions - Discovery, New Frontiers, Flagship Missions Jul 6 2006, 04:07 AM
Toma B I think it would be good idea to re-fly Galileo wi... Jul 6 2006, 06:04 AM
Bob Shaw Here's my wish list:
o Juno-class gas-giant/... Jul 6 2006, 11:34 AM
djellison Mars Network for me please I'd suggest 120k... Jul 6 2006, 11:49 AM
centsworth_II I'm surprised that noone has mentioned my fant... Jul 6 2006, 12:58 PM
ljk4-1 Small probes, perhaps in the size and appearance o... Jul 6 2006, 01:05 PM
Astrophil Visionary stuff, especially the Jupiter cloud miss... Jul 6 2006, 01:53 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Astrophil @ Jul 6 2006, 09:53 AM) ... Jul 6 2006, 02:31 PM
PhilHorzempa QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 6 2006, 10:31 ... Jul 8 2006, 05:05 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Jul 8 2006, 01:05 A... Jul 8 2006, 02:59 PM
ngunn I'm with centsworth II - Titan must be on the ... Jul 6 2006, 02:00 PM
Mark6 QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 6 2006, 03:00 PM) Afte... Mar 29 2008, 01:59 AM
chris Rovers and balloons on Titan, rover on Triton, alr... Jul 6 2006, 02:07 PM
Myran My own 5 cents.
Discovery class of mission: Lunar... Jul 6 2006, 06:45 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Myran @ Jul 6 2006, 06:45 PM) New ... Jul 6 2006, 08:01 PM
volcanopele Once elected president, I will ensure that the fol... Jul 6 2006, 08:38 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 6 2006, 09:38 PM... Jul 6 2006, 09:04 PM
Bart QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 6 2006, 01:38 PM... Jul 6 2006, 09:44 PM
tedstryk Sounds like agreat list. I would add a Venus miss... Jul 7 2006, 03:18 AM
Stephen QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 6 2006, 08:38 PM... Jul 8 2006, 07:33 AM
SFJCody 'Outer worlds & heliosphere survey' [T... Jul 8 2006, 12:01 PM
centsworth_II "Once elected president, I will ensure that t... Jul 8 2006, 03:14 PM
tedstryk t Aug 9 2006, 11:40 AM
monitorlizard Since neither money nor realistic chance of approv... Jul 6 2006, 10:15 PM
David My lonely vote goes for a Herschel mission -- basi... Jul 7 2006, 03:53 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (David @ Jul 6 2006, 11:53 PM) My l... Jul 7 2006, 02:32 PM
tasp I realize this would be fraught with both politica... Jul 7 2006, 02:17 PM
Mariner9 Wish list, hmmmmmmmm..............
I'll try t... Jul 7 2006, 04:10 PM
ljk4-1 How about landing one rover on the top of Olympus ... Jul 7 2006, 05:49 PM
djellison MER EDL wouldn't work at the altitiude of Oly ... Jul 7 2006, 05:51 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 7 2006, 01:51 PM) ... Jul 7 2006, 05:52 PM
djellison Val Mer would be OK - it was after all one of the ... Jul 7 2006, 06:33 PM
David QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 7 2006, 06:33 PM) ... Jul 7 2006, 07:52 PM
helvick QUOTE (David @ Jul 7 2006, 08:52 PM) I... Jul 7 2006, 08:05 PM
Bob Shaw Perverse though it may sound, there's really *... Jul 7 2006, 11:02 PM
tglotch QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jul 7 2006, 11:02 PM) P... Jul 7 2006, 11:45 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tglotch @ Jul 8 2006, 12:45 AM) On... Jul 7 2006, 11:54 PM
tglotch QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jul 7 2006, 11:54 PM) T... Jul 8 2006, 12:09 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tglotch @ Jul 8 2006, 12:09 AM) I ... Jul 8 2006, 12:30 AM
tglotch QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 8 2006, 12:30 ... Jul 8 2006, 12:37 AM
dvandorn I think an engineering demonstration might be in o... Jul 7 2006, 06:56 PM
mchan QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 7 2006, 11:56 AM) I... Jul 8 2006, 06:03 AM
PhilHorzempa The following idea was actually proposed to the De... Aug 9 2006, 03:57 AM
Jim from NSF.com It wasn't an "outside" team with out... Aug 9 2006, 11:04 AM
Phil Stooke Ted said "t"
Could you expand on that?
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centsworth_II QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 9 2006, 08:16 AM... Aug 9 2006, 03:32 PM
tedstryk Not sure what happened to that post, but I have no... Sep 7 2006, 03:56 AM
nprev This might not be a glam factor mission, but durin... May 31 2008, 03:14 PM
Steve G I don't see any point in a Mars sample return ... May 31 2008, 11:32 PM
nprev QUOTE (Steve G @ May 31 2008, 04:32 PM) .... May 31 2008, 11:46 PM
Greg Hullender I'm still waiting to hear the point of sending... Jun 1 2008, 12:53 AM
Steve G QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ May 31 2008, 04:5... Jun 1 2008, 07:32 AM
tedstryk It is worth noting that some attempts to image NEO... Jun 1 2008, 12:41 PM
Thu Well, unless NASA don't know what to do with i... Jun 1 2008, 01:30 AM
nprev Hmm. You know, what might be an interesting missio... Jun 1 2008, 12:49 PM
Thu nprev, I wonder if another James Webb Space Telesc... Jun 1 2008, 02:29 PM
nprev Thanks for the focal length clarification, Thu; wa... Jun 1 2008, 04:07 PM
scalbers QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 1 2008, 04:07 PM) Than... Jun 1 2008, 05:59 PM
imipak QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 1 2008, 05:59 PM) I... Jun 1 2008, 06:16 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (siravan @ Jun 1 2008, 06:51 PM) th... Jun 2 2008, 03:10 AM

siravan QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jun 1 2008, 10:10 PM... Jun 2 2008, 10:29 AM
scalbers Yes, some of those images of Betelgeuse look nice.... Jun 1 2008, 06:24 PM![]() ![]() |
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