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Titan's methane cycle
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post Jul 26 2006, 01:32 AM
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An interesting (and topical) paper in press with the journal Planetary and Space Science:

Titan's methane cycle
Planet. Space Sci., In Press, Corrected Proof, Available online 25 July 2006
Sushil K. Atreya et al.
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Preprint (451 Kb PDF)
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post Jul 26 2006, 11:06 PM
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Yesterday I read a very interesting paper on the variations in cloud cover over Titan during the last eight or nine years. Unfortunately I rather stupidly forgot to bookmark it, and the webpage seems to not be in my browser history. Perhaps somebody else knows the paper I am talking about.

The gist of the article was that low cloud cover has almost always been one percent or less, with two known exceptions. The most recent was a massive cloud outbreak over the south polar region that lasted for a month or so, which was in its final few days and had already largely dissipated when Cassini took its first distant encounter images. You will recall that there still was significant cloud cover in the imagery from that first distant flyby, but the cloud cover would have been much more extensive a couple of weeks earlier. This would have been right around the time of maximum insolation over the south polar region.

The earlier outbreak happened one-quarter of a Saturnian year earlier, centered over the equatorial regions, and was HUGE. Evidence suggests that this may have been two separate outbreaks, located nearly opposite each other near the equator, with one outbreak peaking about a week after the other, in which case the three outbreaks would have each covered 8-10% of the disk of Titan. This earlier outbreak(s) happened right around maximum insolation over the equatorial regions.

Combined with other papers, we start to see the possible basics of Titan's atmospheric methane cycle.

It seems to me that the Titan atmosphere is normally 'unsaturated' with methane, and that evaporation from surface lakes, etc. gradually increases the partial pressure of CH4. Eventually, the partial pressure is sufficiently high that convective overturn can happen in areas with high insolation, and enormous 'cloudbursts' form. I have read them described as similar in intensity to desert cloudbursts, but instead of lasting for an hour or so, they last for a month or more. (This reminds me of the story of Noah and the '40 days and 40 nights' of rain -- should we call these mega-cloudbursts 'Floodbursts' or something of that sort?)

This amount of precipitation would be enough to fill many of the dark depressions we see -- the recent lakes in the north polar region would have presumably been filled during the north polar floodburst, and possibly by runoff from the more recent equatorial floodbursts. The reduced temperature since the equatorial floodbursts would presumably have slowed the rate of evaporation in the northern polar region enough for the lakes to still be partially filled. Ontario Lacus, on the other hand, has presumably just been refilled, and its surface would currently be evaporating at a a fairly rapid pace, compared to mid-winter, half a Saturnian year from now.

So Titan's surface may well experience infrequent (once every 30 years in the polar regions, once every 15 years in the equatorial regions) but lengthy, intense precipitation, with nothing much in between. What would the effects be on erosion rates? I know that in the Grand Canyon, almost all the erosion occurs during the highest flow rates of the Colorado River. It could be that extreme concentration of precipitation on Titan might result in a long-term erosion rate as high as, or possibly higher than, what we see on Earth. In spite of the much lower average energy available on Titan, if it is stored up in the atmosphere over several years and released all at once, it should have considerable erosive power.

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- AlexBlackwell   Titan's methane cycle   Jul 26 2006, 01:32 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   There are a few Titan-related papers in the July 2...   Jul 26 2006, 05:36 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 26 2006, 07:36...   Jul 27 2006, 10:20 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 27 2006, 12:20...   Jul 28 2006, 12:31 AM
- - Mongo   Yesterday I read a very interesting paper on the v...   Jul 26 2006, 11:06 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Mongo @ Jul 26 2006, 01:06 PM) Yes...   Jul 26 2006, 11:17 PM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jul 26 2006, 11:17...   Jul 27 2006, 12:06 AM
- - Thorsten   There are a couple of nice publications on Titan’s...   Jul 27 2006, 09:55 AM
- - Mariner9   If this theory of periodic precipitation proves c...   Jul 28 2006, 01:08 AM
- - elakdawalla   Cassini has seen clouds that were gone later; I th...   Jul 28 2006, 01:29 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jul 28 2006, 02:29 A...   Jul 28 2006, 05:01 PM
- - Mariner9   I wasn't expecting Cassini to actually see it ...   Jul 28 2006, 02:26 PM
- - volcanopele   That's the giant cloud burst from early Octobe...   Jul 28 2006, 05:08 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 28 2006, 06:08 P...   Jul 28 2006, 05:28 PM
- - volcanopele   hehe, that's the one. Almost every flyby I...   Jul 28 2006, 06:00 PM
- - dvandorn   Well, what are the best models for Hadley cell for...   Jul 28 2006, 07:42 PM
- - volcanopele   There is a nice illustation of methane rain on the...   Aug 2 2006, 07:06 PM
|- - mhoward   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Aug 2 2006, 07:06 PM...   Aug 2 2006, 07:19 PM
||- - The Messenger   QUOTE (mhoward @ Aug 2 2006, 01:19 PM) I ...   Aug 3 2006, 09:05 PM
||- - hendric   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Aug 3 2006, 04:05 ...   Aug 4 2006, 07:54 AM
|- - Thorsten   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Aug 2 2006, 09:06 PM...   Aug 10 2006, 10:21 AM
- - nprev   That painting is uncomfortably (perhaps intentiona...   Aug 4 2006, 01:22 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   Sorry to revive a dormant thread, but I couldn...   May 3 2007, 08:47 PM
- - ngunn   Now that is very interesting. I know we have discu...   May 4 2007, 10:46 AM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 4 2007, 06:46 AM) Now ...   May 4 2007, 07:53 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 4 2007, 08:53 PM) S...   May 4 2007, 10:07 PM
- - Littlebit   My experience, with chemicals that have highly pol...   May 4 2007, 02:33 PM
- - Juramike   Basically the paper is modifying the initial Titan...   May 4 2007, 07:44 PM
- - belleraphon1   More cloud activity on Titan ..... "These cl...   Jun 21 2007, 01:01 AM
- - edstrick   I *FINALLY* got photoshop back on a computer at wo...   Jun 21 2007, 07:29 AM
- - edstrick   Missed one... the really GOOD shot of the north-po...   Jun 21 2007, 07:31 AM
- - remcook   cool north-polar clouds! never seen them so cl...   Jun 21 2007, 09:42 AM
- - ngunn   It's amazing what you've managed to do wit...   Jun 21 2007, 10:01 AM
- - edstrick   I'd have to trace down the PIA#### numbers on ...   Jun 22 2007, 08:40 AM
- - ngunn   It looks like the processed image formed by differ...   Jun 22 2007, 09:10 AM
- - edstrick   I'm not using "raw" images.. I can g...   Jun 22 2007, 09:24 AM
- - edstrick   Here's 3 pairs of jpgged tifs and the enhancem...   Jun 22 2007, 09:32 AM
- - ngunn   This is the difference image I was talking about: ...   Jun 22 2007, 10:05 AM
- - edstrick   You mean this one? (enhancing it flattens that br...   Jun 23 2007, 04:40 AM
- - edstrick   My eyes keep wanting to organize this feature into...   Jun 23 2007, 04:44 AM
- - nprev   ...WOW, Ed!!! The "Caspian Sea...   Jun 23 2007, 04:49 AM
- - remcook   FYI: looked up the flyby numbers post 30: left: T2...   Jun 26 2007, 09:49 AM
- - edstrick   " looked up the flyby numbers" Thanks, ...   Jun 27 2007, 05:03 AM
- - edstrick   New Titan 1 km/pixel ISS image posted a few days a...   Jun 30 2007, 07:33 AM


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