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Aug 9 2006, 01:41 AM
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From today, Oppy will start to head toward the Victoria Crater which is about 500 meters away. The drive would take about one month (that is 15 soles of driven with an average of 33 meters/sol, the other 15 soles would be for other purposes or restrictive soles).
The surface around Victoria Annulus, I seems it won't be as smooth as the way between Eagle and Endurance craters but the surface would have no uniform or parallel wave of sand and dust in small size of ripple. See Phil's Victoria Annulus partial map, Tesheiner's one Victoria Crater picture Otherwise, the surface might have ripples smaller and alike to the ones of El Dorado, on the skirt south side of Columbia Hill. Besides, the Anuulus has no outcrops except to around of few small mini-craters. This is a change of morphology of surface around the Victoria Annulus. What does it explain about this developing kind of surface of sand? Its extension is just around the inside of Victoria's ray of ejection. That is coincidence. Around that has no bigger ripples as the outside of Annulus. The explanation would be that around annulus has smoother rock or outcrop surface, no blocks which had not helped to build ripples by the winds. Other factor, I am not sure, is that the slope from the border of Annulus to crater is positive (going up by few meters), then this might be another factor not to build ripples. I have seen that anywhere in the desert that have a slopes does not have any ripples but only flat surface. Any debate about why the Victoria Annulus does not look like ripples as the outside of Annulus. Rodolfo |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:00 PM
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I think Bill might be on the right track. Look again at Nirgal's colorized image of the pebbles:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/user73289/misc/op...24pan_col_d.jpg Many of the larger grains have a shape that looks like a Hershey's kiss. Some have suggested that they might be ventifacts. But it would take winds blowing equally from every direction to sculpt a grain that way. Unlikely IMO. Bill's suggestion that they may be formed by a melt/impact process makes more sense to me at this point. One of the grains at the lower left-hand edge of Nirgal's image provides some tantalizing evidence for this idea. The grain is cut by the edge of the image, but you can see that there is a smaller grain (blueberry) contained it a larger grain. It looks as if part of the larger grain has wrapped around the smaller grain. I'm envisioning a process like this: the meteor strikes the surface of Mars and in the process melts many of the silicate minerals in the crust (it could be a lower basalt or the basalt sands). Molten blobs fly through the air assuming a streamlined, rain-drop shape. The strike the surface while still partly molten. This flattens the bottom but they still retain a streamlined shape in the upper part. If the grains fell, while partly molten on a surface which was already littered with the smaller blueberries. (A process Bill has already proposed). The under side of the "Hershey's kiss" grain would have the smaller blueberry imbedded in it. That partial view of a grain with the embedded blueberry might be evidence for this. - gray |
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Sep 11 2006, 03:30 PM
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I think Bill might be on the right track. Look again at Nirgal's colorized image of the pebbles: http://mitglied.lycos.de/user73289/misc/op...24pan_col_d.jpg Yep. Please note that in the attached image, there are really four different size populations in the objects we see. The finest particles are dust-sized, and are consistent with windblown dust particles or the aeolian erosional remnants of local larger bodies which have been worn down by local winds. These particles form the primary portion of the soil matrix at this site, and they resemble (a lot) the fine dust portion of the soil that we've been seeing all along. The next largest size of body resemble, in size and general shape, the blueberries we've seen ever since Eagle. They seem to be more broken up -- some appear to have started out spherical but have been partially or completely shattered. But these look like the blueberries we've been seeing. The next largest size of body we see are what Bill is calling tektitic. Most of them seem to have a conical shape, and while the linked image doesn't show this well, many of them have a small depression, pit or hole at the apex of the cone. One would be tempted to say, with a quick glance at the image, "Oh, yeah, those are blueberries." But if you compare their size (larger than the blueberries we've seen before) and their presence in the same soil with smaller bodies that far more closely resemble the blueberries we've seen before, you can see that these are different types of bodies. The conical (or teardrop) shapes seem unlikely to be ventifacts because of the very small size of the bodies and because they appear to have been evenly shaped into regular cones all along their circumference. There is one larger sized body type in this image, as well -- a more rough-edged pebbly kind of stone that someone remarked (sorry, I don't remember who originally noted this) looks rather like chert or flint. These have multiple fracture planes that form their surfaces, and are significantly larger than either the blueberries or the tektitic droplets. These four different types of bodies seem to be fairly well mixed in the soil here. But they are definitely all different in appearance, and I would imagine they are all different morphologically. I'm about 80% convinced that the conical or teardrop shaped objects are some form of impact melt. I don't necessarily have an explanation for why they don't look glassy. I suspect it's a matter of either their initial composition or, more specifically, the volatiles content of the original melt that is responsible for this appearance. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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RNeuhaus Victoria Annulus Aug 9 2006, 01:41 AM
Analyst QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 9 2006, 01:41 AM) F... Aug 9 2006, 06:46 AM
djellison Indeed -there is intended investigation of the thi... Aug 9 2006, 07:06 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 9 2006, 02:06 AM) ... Aug 9 2006, 02:08 PM
Nirgal Re. the Apron/Annulus: Apart from the orbiter imag... Aug 10 2006, 06:40 AM
WindyT Let's not forget the slightly arcane math ques... Aug 13 2006, 04:56 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (WindyT @ Aug 13 2006, 11:56 AM) Le... Aug 13 2006, 08:22 PM
dvandorn It's also very difficult to estimate the amoun... Aug 13 2006, 09:33 PM
WindyT QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 13 2006, 09:33 PM) ... Aug 14 2006, 03:43 AM
Bill Harris You are correct, without topo and gridding data/ca... Aug 13 2006, 10:08 PM
Bill Harris Here are initial (and very WAG) guesses on the vol... Aug 14 2006, 09:08 PM
dvandorn And, like I said, Bill, the composition of the imp... Aug 15 2006, 06:45 AM
Bill Harris Oppy is currently in the transition zone between t... Aug 16 2006, 06:14 PM
djellison Wow - nice MI sequence.....trying to merge with Pa... Aug 16 2006, 07:50 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 02:50 PM)... Aug 16 2006, 08:06 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 09:50 PM)... Aug 16 2006, 08:08 PM
Nirgal QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 09:50 PM)... Aug 16 2006, 09:29 PM
djellison I don't believe any placement info for the MI ... Aug 16 2006, 09:09 PM
dvandorn I would be really interested in seeing the mini-TE... Aug 17 2006, 12:01 AM
Bill Harris Here is the current PanCam view of the sand at our... Aug 21 2006, 05:44 PM
hortonheardawho 4 frames of sol 910 MI pan near Mossbauer press co... Aug 21 2006, 08:01 PM
Bill Harris Whew, who said flat as a pancake! Here is an ... Aug 21 2006, 10:40 PM
mhoward QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 21 2006, 10:40 P... Aug 21 2006, 11:12 PM
djellison That's several sols old....
Sol 912 - 10:38am... Aug 21 2006, 11:05 PM
Bill Harris Well, duh. You're correct; I was thinking tha... Aug 21 2006, 11:26 PM
CosmicRocker When I saw that sol 912 L7 during my morning MMB u... Aug 22 2006, 04:23 AM
mhoward A quick stitch: Aug 22 2006, 05:04 AM
Bill Harris In the lastest Navcam pans, we can see a light-ton... Aug 24 2006, 01:47 PM
jamescanvin Just been looking at the tracking site for tosol (... Aug 25 2006, 01:56 AM
Tesheiner > Does anyone know if Oppy has done any (intent... Aug 25 2006, 06:12 AM
Bill Harris It gets more interesting on the ejecta apron. Loo... Aug 25 2006, 12:57 PM
RNeuhaus The surface is so "ironed". Very plane a... Aug 25 2006, 02:31 PM
Bill Harris Here is an L257 Pancam of the spot that Oppy trenc... Aug 25 2006, 11:08 PM
RNeuhaus This kind of surface is very easy to drive as off-... Aug 26 2006, 12:04 AM
Bill Harris I'm thinking that one sub-cycle of the Martian... Aug 26 2006, 01:40 AM
Aldebaran QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 26 2006, 01:40 A... Aug 26 2006, 03:10 AM
CosmicRocker Well, all I can add to this discussion is that I w... Aug 26 2006, 06:02 AM
Bill Harris Aldebaran, your analysis is correct, I was having ... Aug 26 2006, 09:34 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 26 2006, 01:34 A... Aug 26 2006, 02:48 PM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 25 2006, 07:04 PM) ... Aug 27 2006, 06:31 AM
Bill Harris This is indeed the beauty of having a continuous o... Aug 27 2006, 09:25 AM
Bill Harris The first MI images of the ejecta apron beyond the... Aug 31 2006, 03:38 AM
Gray QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 31 2006, 03:38 A... Aug 31 2006, 04:50 PM
glennwsmith Bill, one never knows where to post. Re the MI im... Aug 31 2006, 03:51 AM
Bill Harris Well, maybe, technically, but let's look at th... Aug 31 2006, 06:45 PM
Gray I agree with your prediction that the evaporite is... Aug 31 2006, 07:41 PM
Nirgal Here is a panorama of the latest MI in false color... Aug 31 2006, 08:49 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Nirgal @ Aug 31 2006, 09:49 PM) He... Aug 31 2006, 09:04 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Nirgal @ Aug 31 2006, 03:49 PM) He... Sep 1 2006, 01:12 AM
Jeff7 I find it interesting that so many of them seem to... Sep 1 2006, 03:17 AM
tty QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Sep 1 2006, 05:17 AM) I fi... Sep 1 2006, 06:51 PM
BEHSTeacher QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Aug 31 2006, 11:17 PM) I f... Sep 1 2006, 07:35 PM
SacramentoBob QUOTE (BEHSTeacher @ Sep 1 2006, 12:35 PM... Sep 2 2006, 05:50 PM
Aldebaran QUOTE (SacramentoBob @ Sep 2 2006, 05:50 ... Sep 10 2006, 03:49 AM
glennwsmith Fantastic colorization Nirgal! Sep 1 2006, 04:17 AM
centsworth_II Thanks Nirgal, I now have a life-size bit of Mars ... Sep 1 2006, 05:40 PM
Gray Very impressive Nirgal. What caught my eye was, j... Sep 1 2006, 06:44 PM
gregp1962 Um, where are we?
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mar... Sep 2 2006, 06:04 AM
bluemars1 QUOTE (gregp1962 @ Sep 1 2006, 11:04 PM) ... Sep 2 2006, 06:16 AM
MizarKey Greg, that image, for me, was immediately recogniz... Sep 2 2006, 08:08 AM
RNeuhaus The microcospic picture taken on scrapped track. I... Sep 2 2006, 06:16 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Sep 2 2006, 01:16 PM) T... Sep 2 2006, 09:09 PM
djellison It's soil pushed flat by the mossbauer.
Doug Sep 2 2006, 09:15 PM
glennwsmith I hate to keep obsessing about this bit of conchoi... Sep 3 2006, 04:26 PM
RNeuhaus Gleenwsmith: The stone is the original comparing ... Sep 4 2006, 04:59 PM
glennwsmith Rodolfo, I am certainly agreeing with you if you a... Sep 5 2006, 03:49 AM
dvandorn I keep wondering if the specific forms we see in t... Sep 5 2006, 06:28 AM
Bill Harris Finally, we got the makin's for L257 images of... Sep 9 2006, 10:19 AM
john_s I couldn't resist this comparison:
Sep 10 2006, 02:59 AM
glennwsmith john s -- sweet! Sep 10 2006, 03:04 AM
CosmicRocker That was freakin' brilliant! It is no... Sep 10 2006, 03:41 AM
CosmicRocker I've gone over all of the recent MIs and I can... Sep 10 2006, 06:31 AM
Aldebaran QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Sep 10 2006, 06:31 ... Sep 10 2006, 06:54 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Sep 10 2006, 01:31 ... Sep 11 2006, 01:45 AM
Bill Harris "Tektites" or "impact lapilli... Sep 10 2006, 11:49 AM
Bill Harris Here are the latest color Pancams from the current... Sep 10 2006, 01:16 PM
CosmicRocker Doug: I don't have a problem with the term te... Sep 11 2006, 04:36 AM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Sep 10 2006, 06:49 A... Sep 11 2006, 06:00 AM
Bill Harris OK, then explain what we're seeing on the ejec... Sep 11 2006, 10:34 AM
CosmicRocker Thanks Gray and dvandorn for the image and the des... Sep 12 2006, 05:28 AM
Bill Harris That is what is puzzling about the larger "He... Sep 12 2006, 11:15 AM
Floyd If the "Hershey's Kiss" spherules ar... Sep 12 2006, 12:05 PM
RobertEB QUOTE (Floyd @ Sep 12 2006, 07:05 AM) If ... Sep 12 2006, 12:27 PM
Indian3000 CAHVOR color projection L257
R = 80% L2 + 20% L7
... Sep 12 2006, 05:02 PM
Indian3000 R = 100% L2
G = 100% L5
B = 100% L7
Sep 12 2006, 05:05 PM
Ant103 Wow! Delicious colors on the first pic Indian3... Sep 12 2006, 07:21 PM
Ant103 I made a crossed-eyes (or parallel what is the ... Sep 13 2006, 04:37 PM
Gray Cosmic
Good job on the anaglyphs of the pebbles.... Sep 13 2006, 04:44 PM
CosmicRocker Indian3000: That is very nice color, and thanks f... Sep 13 2006, 07:02 PM
Bill Harris Here is an L257 Pancam of what I suppose to be the... Sep 15 2006, 04:57 AM
Stu Nice berries...
Sep 15 2006, 05:48 AM
Marcel QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 15 2006, 05:48 AM) Nice ... Sep 15 2006, 06:51 PM
Pavel QUOTE (Marcel @ Sep 15 2006, 02:51 PM) Se... Sep 15 2006, 09:02 PM
CryptoEngineer JPL just released this (rather grainy) photo of a ... Sep 15 2006, 06:25 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (CryptoEngineer @ Sep 15 2006, 11:2... Sep 15 2006, 09:29 PM
Bill Harris Here is an MI of part of the Cape Faraday rock fro... Sep 17 2006, 12:43 AM
dvandorn The "Hershey's kiss" berries in this... Sep 17 2006, 06:16 AM
Pando QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 16 2006, 11:16 PM) ... Sep 17 2006, 06:42 AM![]() ![]() |
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