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Bob, wherefore art thou?, Missing the untamed Shaw... |
 Aug 13 2006, 06:12 PM
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 Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15  |
You know, this forum, while still incredibly rich and fulfilling, just isn't the same without Bob Shaw's wit and wisdom. I sincerely hope all concerned can get this connectivity problem fixed and we can see Bob back here soon.
-the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Aug 13 2006, 07:07 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 13 2006, 10:12 AM)  You know, this forum, while still incredibly rich and fulfilling, just isn't the same without Bob Shaw's wit and wisdom. I've been wondering what happened to Shaka. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Aug 13 2006, 07:24 PM
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Rover Driver Group: Members Posts: 1015 Joined: 4-March 04 Member No.: 47 |
holiday?
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Aug 13 2006, 07:29 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Shaka appears to have thrown his toys out the pram and left after a long history of nonsense posts that punctuate his troubled history in this place. His posting lacked an inner monologue much of the time, and quite a few posts had to be deleted. He's one of the few members of a special group of people who each have their own dedicated moderators discussion thread. He's not banned or on the IP deny list, and he's welcome to post here, but clearly the fact that I insist on certain standards offends him.
Bob just can't get onto the forum - it's a connectivity issue - the host totally deny responsibility - and there's nothing more I can do to sort the situation  Doug |
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Aug 13 2006, 08:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
I enjoyed the presence of Shaka. It is certain that he is a special person who spoke with a incredible jargon language. About, Bob, I cannot believe it. Is there another ISP in UK, then try with the other? Otherwise, he must move the town if he loves the USMF!
 Rodolfo |
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Aug 13 2006, 09:16 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
While we're discussing "missing" people, I've been wondering what happened to Joe Knapp a.k.a. jmknapp. He used to do all sorts of nice simulations including that nifty Cassini raw image analysis tool. I haven't seen him post for ages now, the last time he logged on was back in April according to his profile.
Does anyone know what happened to him? -------------------- |
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Aug 13 2006, 09:27 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 13 2006, 09:31 PM) Is there another ISP in UK, then try with the other? He has - and indeed trying via another ISP he can get in, but he's on cable at home and stuck with NTL as I understand. For such purposes - there is this place - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unmannedspaceflight/ Doug |
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Aug 13 2006, 10:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3009 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
I emailed the LongLostBob from the Yahoo Groups UMSF backup today but haven't gotten a reply back yet. I plan to send him an update via email, if he needs it, but we might want to post periodic updates at the Yahoo site as long as he's incommunicado.
Tis a pity... --Bill -------------------- |
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Aug 14 2006, 10:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Princeton, NJ, USA Member No.: 212 |
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 13 2006, 10:17 PM) I emailed the LongLostBob from the Yahoo Groups UMSF backup today but haven't gotten a reply back yet. I plan to send him an update via email, if he needs it, but we might want to post periodic updates at the Yahoo site as long as he's incommunicado. Tis a pity... --Bill Bob was always very helpful and insightful. I'll try emailing him also and hope the connectivity problem is quickly resolved. We need him for the VC campaign. Can he at least read along? |
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Aug 14 2006, 10:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 13 2006, 11:29 AM) but clearly the fact that I insist on certain standards offends him. If you have kids Doug, I just KNOW they are not going to be the types who write on the walls or jump on the furniture. (If not, I have found that acetone works really well to remove crayons from unpainted surfaces. For painted surfaces I recomend a soft cloth and a mild bleach based cleanser.) -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Aug 15 2006, 07:28 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 14 2006, 11:37 PM) If you have kids Doug, I just KNOW they are not going to be the types who write on the walls or jump on the furniture Certainly not in someone elses house while there are visitors around...no Doug |
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Aug 15 2006, 02:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
Maybe that Bob is imprisioned by the bad firewall rules on some point in its way to UMSF?
 Rodolfo |
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Aug 15 2006, 02:29 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
I'm not sure what you actually mean - but I've double checked and tripple checked that Bob is NOT on the IP ban list.
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Aug 15 2006, 03:44 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
I'd like to add my voice to those missing Bob's posts. I hope to goodness we can have him back soon. The problem, wherever and whatever it is can't be insurmountable. As a favour, could someone in direct contact with Bob forward this to him?
Doug - I'd also noticed the silence from Joe Knapp mentioned above - any info? regards, Nigel |
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Aug 15 2006, 03:52 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 15 2006, 04:44 PM) I'd also noticed the silence from Joe Knapp mentioned above - any info? Nothing from this end. No bad words, no contact at all. People just sometimes drift away..it happens sadly. We've already got people trying to get in touch with Bob though - perhaps he's on his hols or something? Believe me, no one is as frustrated and pissed off as I that Bob can't get on to the board from his NTL connection - but I have tried everything, and I mean EVERYTHING that I possibly can to sort the situation. I am fully out of ideas, options and choices in terms of sorting that situation. Doug |
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Aug 15 2006, 04:01 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10265 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
I've been emailing Bob from time to time. He's still around.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PDF: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 15 2006, 04:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 15 2006, 04:52 PM) Nothing from this end. No bad words, no contact at all. People just sometimes drift away..it happens sadly. Nothing wrong with drifting away (electronically) but sometimes worse things happen to people. It's only natural to wonder if the 'disappeared' are actually OK. Obviously no cause for personal concern in Bob's case though, and thanks for all your efforts. |
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Aug 15 2006, 04:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 15 2006, 09:29 AM) I'm not sure what you actually mean - but I've double checked and tripple checked that Bob is NOT on the IP ban list. You aced it! What I am saying is that every ISP or any connection provider might have set up a firewall and some might made a mistake in definition of ban IP list that might block the traffic message. If you didn't get the IP response by the ping command, it might be one of the indications that it is already filtered or the message has already arrived at some point and that point is not allowed to reply (silent). You mentioned that he is not in the IP ban list in your site? If that is case, so you have already cleared it. Rodolfo |
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Aug 15 2006, 05:21 PM
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 578 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 107 |
Could he try connect to the site going through a proxy server perhaps?
Maybe that could be a way to get past a possible firewall
-------------------- "I want to make as many people as possible feel like they are part of this adventure. We are going to give everybody a sense of what exploring the surface of another world is really like"
- Steven Squyres |
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Aug 15 2006, 07:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2558 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
I feel compelled to be that pedantic ass who points out that "wherefore art thou" means "why are you", not "where are you". See, e.g., http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/3/lc.asp
-------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Aug 15 2006, 09:18 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 15 2006, 03:01 PM) I feel compelled to be that pedantic ass who points out that "wherefore art thou" means "why are you", not "where are you". See, e.g., http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/3/lc.asp 63% of Americans don't know that Mercury is the closest planet to the Sun, so how can it be expected that they know some minor aspect of 500 year-old English? 
-------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Aug 15 2006, 09:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 15 2006, 02:01 PM) I feel compelled to be that pedantic ass who points out that "wherefore art thou" means "why are you", not "where are you". See, e.g., http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/3/lc.asp Yes, I knew that, Mike -- but I felt that the Shakespearian reference was appropriate, and besides, everyone knew what I meant. Which means that, whether or not I abused the original Olde English meaning of the word, I did effectively communicate what I wanted to get across... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Aug 15 2006, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE (dot.dk @ Aug 15 2006, 06:21 PM) Could he try connect to the site going through a proxy server perhaps? Maybe that could be a way to get past a possible firewall I'm talking with Bob about this very thing. We shall see.... Chris |
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Aug 16 2006, 12:45 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10265 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
A Shaw by any other name would smell like feet?
Phil (Come on Bob, I can't keep this up much longer) -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PDF: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 16 2006, 02:13 AM
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Southeast Michigan Member No.: 209 |
Be not afraid of bad ISPs; some are born with bad ISPs, some achieve bad ISPs, and others have bad ISPs thrust upon them...
[I know it's from a different play, but I'm just back from the Stratford (Ontario) Festival and that line was in my head ]
-------------------- --O'Dave
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Aug 16 2006, 04:42 PM
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 Director of Galilean Photography Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 93 |
Wherefore art thou an ass, Mike?
Why do you ride the Internet Donkey of Pedantism?
-------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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Aug 16 2006, 07:15 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
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Aug 16 2006, 08:40 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10265 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
We could leave the wherefore business behind with a judicious application of "inflationary language".
Bob, Bob, wherefive art thou Bob? Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PDF: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 17 2006, 02:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 2-March 05 Member No.: 180 |
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 15 2006, 08:45 PM) A Shaw by any other name would smell like feet? Phil (Come on Bob, I can't keep this up much longer) Alas, poor Bob Shaw, I knew him well! |
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Aug 17 2006, 03:09 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 4-May 05 Member No.: 378 |
QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Aug 16 2006, 09:45 PM) Alas, poor Bob Shaw, I knew him well! I know it was probably deliberate, but as a charter member of pedants R us I am legally and morally obligated to point out that the correct quote is: "I knew him, Horatio. A fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy" etc. Steve -------------------- Popper: A party entertainment, filled with confetti and a small explosive charge.
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Aug 17 2006, 03:13 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
And no one said "Play it again Sam" either..
Rant over |
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Aug 17 2006, 03:53 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10265 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Doug: And no one said "Play it again Sam" either..
Sure they did - people have been saying it ever since the movie came out. It's not in the movie, but it's been said just about everywhere else. In fact it's such a fixture in pop culture that the movie really ought to be 'corrected' to match expectations, like when old B/W movies are colorized. Correct the past, not the future - it's easier. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PDF: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 17 2006, 03:57 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 4-May 05 Member No.: 378 |
Ah Phil, you beat me to it.
And incidentally, Jeff7 picked a pretty good quote for Bob. "Alas poor Bob Shaw. I knew him, Horatio. A fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy" Sounds a lot like Bob, aside from Yorick being dead and all. -------------------- Popper: A party entertainment, filled with confetti and a small explosive charge.
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Aug 18 2006, 10:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1870 Joined: 20-February 05 Member No.: 174 |
Maybe... somebody used him in place of a PaperClip?
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Aug 22 2006, 10:48 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Just thought to let you know I contacted Joe Knapp. Everything's fine with him, which is nice to hear. He's just been too busy with other things lately to drop by more often. He'll be back, sure enough.
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Aug 23 2006, 12:39 AM
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 IMG to PNG GOD Group: Moderator Posts: 2257 Joined: 19-February 04 From: Near fire and ice Member No.: 38 |
QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 22 2006, 10:48 AM) Just thought to let you know I contacted Joe Knapp. Everything's fine with him, which is nice to hear. He's just been too busy with other things lately to drop by more often. He'll be back, sure enough. That's great news, his posts were usually highly interesting. Actually a slight relief as well since I emailed him a few months ago and didn't get a reply. |
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