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Aug 24 2006, 01:58 PM
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Aug 25 2006, 03:57 PM
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IIRC, my 3rd grade daughter's class spent about a week of their science time on the solar system last year. Since it's been all over the media, questions are bound to come up, so unfortunately it should be covered. Depending on how the teacher wanted to handle it, they could probably get through the discussion in 10-15 minutes. That may blow half of a day's science lesson, but you've still got the rest of the week for more important things.
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Aug 25 2006, 09:22 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Depending on how the teacher wanted to handle it, they could probably get through the discussion in 10-15 minutes. Hmmm... 10-15 minutes to explain how Pluto was predicted, then found; how astronomers looked for then found KBOs; how there was a worldwide astronomical debate, lasting decades, about the identity of Pluto, at the same time as small group of planetary scientists fought desperately for NASA to send a mission to Pluto, and succeeded in launching it just before a visionary and controversial proposal was put forward to expand the solar system, which was then shot down and replaced with what many see as a painfully politically-correct compromise that in turn led to a suspiciously undemocratic vote which finally ended with Pluto being evicted from the list of planets, to the disgust and outrage of many... If I heard from my kid that a teacher had raced through all that in 10-15 minutes I'd want them slapped with a wet fish and made to do the lesson again. -------------------- |
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Aug 25 2006, 09:48 PM
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If a school does spend a total of 5 hours on the solar system, even 15 minutes for Pluto's planet status is way too much. That's 5% of the total time. Here are nineteen things that deserve mention:
Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Moon, Mars, Asteroids, Meteors, Jupiter, Io, Europa, Saturn, rings, Titan, Uranus, Neptune, Triton, Pluto-Charon, comets. Granted, some of these things will get a brief mention only, but Mars and Titan among others could be topics dealt with at length. Space exploration itself could eat an hour. The planet-status topic is going to bump something far more worthy off the list. |
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Aug 25 2006, 11:34 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
If a school does spend a total of 5 hours on the solar system You see, this is the problem, right here. We're all happy with the idea of a school spending just 5 hours teaching about the solar system. 5 hours! That's NOTHING! I wasn't suggesting for a moment that the Pluto-related items I listed should be taught at the expense of other astronomical subjects, phenomena and places, far from it. I was trying to say that astronomy is such a huge, huge subject that every planet deserves more than a mere "10-15 minutes". Jeez, I spend whole mornings and afternoon running junior school workshops about the solar system, and have to force myself to keep Mars' section under control as I could easily spend the whole session just talking about Valles Marineris! This is a real "grrrr!!!" of mine, the quality of science education in schools. I can only speak from experience of schools over here in the UK, but "space" is taught appallingly, almost non-existently. There are token efforts made to cover the subject, at best. If the Pluto debate is the catalyst for improving that then yaaaay, I'm all for it. I just worry that what's more likely is that teachers - those that can be bothered - will take the debate as a sign that Pluto's not even worth bothering with to astronomers, and sweep it under the carpet, dismissing it as an iceball. -------------------- |
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SigurRosFan "Pluto is dead" - Mike Brown Aug 24 2006, 01:58 PM
ugordan Quick! Is there still time to redirect New Hor... Aug 24 2006, 02:05 PM
SigurRosFan What's Alan's email address? Aug 24 2006, 02:15 PM
djellison Why would this affect NH in any way, shape or form... Aug 24 2006, 02:31 PM
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Paolo QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 24 2006, 06:05... Aug 24 2006, 06:05 PM
Paolo I am quite happy of the decision because
1) the de... Aug 24 2006, 02:43 PM
Myran We discussed this earlier, and this triggered a co... Aug 24 2006, 03:26 PM
RNeuhaus And now what astro category belong to Pluton? Icy ... Aug 24 2006, 03:42 PM
volcanopele grrr.... needless to say I am very unhappy right n... Aug 24 2006, 03:55 PM
Toma B Well, I'm personaly not very happy about losin... Aug 24 2006, 04:18 PM
David And now I have to update my rhyme:
As for Pluto, ... Aug 24 2006, 04:24 PM
djellison B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Aug 24 2006, 05:18 PM... Aug 24 2006, 04:24 PM
JRehling B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Aug 24 2006, 09:18 AM... Aug 24 2006, 04:26 PM
odave QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 24 2006, 12:26 PM) ... Aug 24 2006, 05:20 PM
punkboi QUOTE (odave @ Aug 24 2006, 10:20 AM) ...... Aug 24 2006, 05:50 PM
JamesFox Well, I don't really minf the intent to divide... Aug 24 2006, 05:16 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes Like JRehling, I predict that shortly after July 2... Aug 24 2006, 06:23 PM
ElkGroveDan I predict that popular culture will continue to sp... Aug 24 2006, 06:47 PM
djellison QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 24 2006, 07:47 P... Aug 24 2006, 06:57 PM
David QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 24 2006, 06:47 P... Aug 24 2006, 06:58 PM
JRehling QUOTE (David @ Aug 24 2006, 11:58 AM) Yes... Aug 24 2006, 07:01 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (David @ Aug 24 2006, 10:58 AM) Yes... Aug 24 2006, 07:28 PM
Stephen QUOTE (David @ Aug 24 2006, 06:58 PM) Yes... Aug 25 2006, 09:38 AM
yg1968 Alan Stern isn't too happy about all this. See... Aug 25 2006, 03:56 AM
Greg Hullender I still very clearly remember a teacher who insist... Aug 25 2006, 02:16 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 25 2006, 07:1... Aug 25 2006, 03:24 PM
odave QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 25 2006, 05:22 PM) Hmmm.... Aug 26 2006, 01:02 AM
Big_Gazza Yeesh! Too much concern over a non-issue. Anyo... Aug 25 2006, 11:19 PM
Bill Harris My opinion? They are loonies.
There may be good... Aug 25 2006, 11:19 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 26 2006, 12:19 A... Aug 25 2006, 11:27 PM
MCS QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 25 2006, 07:27 PM) S... Aug 26 2006, 08:03 AM
ugordan QUOTE (MCS @ Aug 26 2006, 09:03 AM) If on... Aug 26 2006, 11:21 AM
Jeff7 QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 25 2006, 07:34 PM) I jus... Aug 26 2006, 04:56 PM
alan QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 25 2006, 06:27 PM) G... Aug 26 2006, 01:38 AM
Myran QUOTE ugordan wrote: So was Ceres.
Thats correct,... Aug 26 2006, 07:24 AM
Bill Harris >The same happened to Pluto in a step by step p... Aug 26 2006, 12:48 PM
tasp Am I alone in wondering why this IAU edict is even... Aug 26 2006, 02:52 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tasp @ Aug 26 2006, 03:52 PM) If P... Aug 26 2006, 03:37 PM
David QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 26 2006, 03:37 PM) T... Aug 26 2006, 04:36 PM
ugordan QUOTE (David @ Aug 26 2006, 05:36 PM) You... Aug 26 2006, 04:40 PM
AlexBlackwell Mike Brown is the guest for the latest edition of ... Aug 28 2006, 06:40 PM
djellison He even said that there is every chance we will fi... Aug 28 2006, 07:13 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 28 2006, 12:13 PM)... Aug 28 2006, 07:26 PM
jamescanvin QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 29 2006, 05:13 AM)... Aug 28 2006, 09:41 PM
mars loon QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 28 2006, 07:13 PM)... Aug 28 2006, 11:24 PM
karolp QUOTE (mars loon @ Aug 29 2006, 01:24 AM)... Aug 30 2006, 03:11 PM
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climber Now, in the books, NH will be seen as a new class ... Aug 28 2006, 07:36 PM
gpurcell My wife tolerates my space exploration obsession, ... Aug 28 2006, 11:01 PM
mchan QUOTE (gpurcell @ Aug 28 2006, 04:01 PM) ... Aug 29 2006, 04:23 AM
karolp QUOTE (mchan @ Aug 29 2006, 06:23 AM) Eve... Aug 30 2006, 01:59 PM
JRehling QUOTE (karolp @ Aug 30 2006, 06:59 AM) An... Aug 30 2006, 04:27 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (karolp @ Aug 30 2006, 01:59 PM) An... Aug 30 2006, 05:30 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (gpurcell @ Aug 30 2006, 12:30 PM) ... Aug 30 2006, 06:23 PM
karolp QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 30 2006, 08:23 PM) ... Aug 30 2006, 06:50 PM
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karolp QUOTE (David @ Aug 30 2006, 08:52 PM) I c... Aug 30 2006, 07:29 PM
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karolp Gas giants might get eccentric orbits from interac... Aug 31 2006, 01:09 PM
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karolp QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 31 2006, 03:5... Aug 31 2006, 06:07 PM

ugordan QUOTE (karolp @ Aug 31 2006, 07:07 PM) ... Aug 31 2006, 06:42 PM
Alan Stern QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 31 2006, 01:5... Aug 31 2006, 07:15 PM
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Jyril Isn't it that according to the theories of pla... Sep 1 2006, 10:51 AM
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Myran QUOTE Alan Stern wrote: I myself am not convinced ... Sep 1 2006, 01:41 PM
Julius This Migrating Giant theory was clearly discussed ... Sep 1 2006, 07:21 PM
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Julius Thanks for your feedback Alan,much appreciated.I d... Sep 4 2006, 12:20 PM
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