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Aug 24 2006, 01:58 PM
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Aug 31 2006, 01:54 PM
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Uranus and Saturn are both in less eccentric orbits than Mars. I've never heard anyone suggest that they used to be in more elliptical orbits. I HAVE heard the suggestion that they both formed further in and have gradually drifted further out, but that would have happened when the Solar System was new.
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Aug 31 2006, 06:07 PM
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Uranus and Saturn are both in less eccentric orbits than Mars. I've never heard anyone suggest that they used to be in more elliptical orbits. I HAVE heard the suggestion that they both formed further in and have gradually drifted further out, but that would have happened when the Solar System was new. Well, it basically goes like this: "Jupiter and Saturn start out at roughly 5 and 8 astronomical units; Uranus and Neptune begin much closer to the Sun than their current positions, at about 13 and 14 AU. They stay pretty comfortably in those positions for about 100,000 years. Then, quite suddenly, that 1:2 resonance is reached. Saturn and Jupiter don't change a lot initially, but the orbits of Uranus and Neptune go nuts. They get much more eccentric, so that their orbits cross; at times Uranus even gets very close to Saturn. After about a million years, the eccentricity dies down, and Uranus and Neptune are on their way out to more distant positions in the solar system, at the same time that Saturn begins to acquire its present orbit eccentricity." The Whole Article -------------------- |
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SigurRosFan "Pluto is dead" - Mike Brown Aug 24 2006, 01:58 PM
ugordan Quick! Is there still time to redirect New Hor... Aug 24 2006, 02:05 PM
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Paolo I am quite happy of the decision because
1) the de... Aug 24 2006, 02:43 PM
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David And now I have to update my rhyme:
As for Pluto, ... Aug 24 2006, 04:24 PM
djellison B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Aug 24 2006, 05:18 PM... Aug 24 2006, 04:24 PM
JRehling B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Aug 24 2006, 09:18 AM... Aug 24 2006, 04:26 PM
odave QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 24 2006, 12:26 PM) ... Aug 24 2006, 05:20 PM
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David QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 24 2006, 06:47 P... Aug 24 2006, 06:58 PM
JRehling QUOTE (David @ Aug 24 2006, 11:58 AM) Yes... Aug 24 2006, 07:01 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (David @ Aug 24 2006, 10:58 AM) Yes... Aug 24 2006, 07:28 PM
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Stu QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 25 2006, 09:48 PM) ... Aug 25 2006, 11:34 PM
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There may be good... Aug 25 2006, 11:19 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Aug 26 2006, 12:19 A... Aug 25 2006, 11:27 PM
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Jeff7 QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 25 2006, 07:34 PM) I jus... Aug 26 2006, 04:56 PM
alan QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 25 2006, 06:27 PM) G... Aug 26 2006, 01:38 AM
Myran QUOTE ugordan wrote: So was Ceres.
Thats correct,... Aug 26 2006, 07:24 AM
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ugordan QUOTE (tasp @ Aug 26 2006, 03:52 PM) If P... Aug 26 2006, 03:37 PM
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ugordan QUOTE (David @ Aug 26 2006, 05:36 PM) You... Aug 26 2006, 04:40 PM
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karolp QUOTE (mchan @ Aug 29 2006, 06:23 AM) Eve... Aug 30 2006, 01:59 PM
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gpurcell QUOTE (karolp @ Aug 30 2006, 01:59 PM) An... Aug 30 2006, 05:30 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (gpurcell @ Aug 30 2006, 12:30 PM) ... Aug 30 2006, 06:23 PM
karolp QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 30 2006, 08:23 PM) ... Aug 30 2006, 06:50 PM
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karolp QUOTE (David @ Aug 30 2006, 08:52 PM) I c... Aug 30 2006, 07:29 PM
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ugordan QUOTE (karolp @ Aug 31 2006, 07:07 PM) ... Aug 31 2006, 06:42 PM
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