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[gregp1962]

So, is the route map in reply #1822 the most current? I was thinking that that was yestersols map.


BTW, we all agree that 'sol' is pronounced like 'soul' or 'sole' and not 'saul'. (Being a latin derived word)

[gregp1962]

This is a continuation of the discussion started in replies 1833 to 1839 in this thread. http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...681&st=1830

David, you bring an interesting point that I was not aware of. (reply 1838) To me, it does seem that, in modern English, a word that has it's roots from the latin 'sol' (sun) we have a typical pronounciation protocol. If we are saying an English word that has it's roots in the latin 'sal' (salt) it seems to consistently be pronounced differently.

English words derived from the latin word 'sol'...(sun) I believe that it is also the source of words referring to being alone or solo. (The sun is alone)

Solar
solo
solstice
solemnity

English words derived from 'sal' (salt)

Salad
saline


To me, it seems that, in modern English, if the word comes from the latin'sol' it is more commonly pronounced 'sole'. If we want to speak English as David claims they did in the 5th and 6th centuries, maybe we should pronounce the Martian day as though it rhymes with 'doll'. However, I would like David to post a recording of typical 5th century inhabitants of the English Isles speaking concerning issues like a solar eclipse.

[Aldebaran]

I don't think it matters too much exactly how you say it. The accepted pronunciation of a word is the one that is used most, regardless of derivation. There is also so much regional variation in phonetic values that it becomes academic anyway. For example John is pronounced with o like orange in the UK, and like Jahn in the US. Some usages that used to be grammatically correct will eventually die out, like the use of 'I will' as opposed to 'I shall' as an emphasis. Language is dynamic.

The point that was made about various Latin pronunciations is also correct. When I was taught Latin, vivat regina was pronounced vee-vat raygeenah (hard g), whereas in Tom Brown's Schooldays, it would have been vie-vat rejynah.

[David]

The point that was made about various Latin pronunciations is also correct. When I was taught Latin, vivat regina was pronounced vee-vat raygeenah (hard g), whereas in Tom Brown's Schooldays, it would have been vie-vat rejynah.

In my Latin classes we said "wee-waht". Or we should have.

As this is one topic where I probably do not know less than the average UMSFer, I could go on in some detail about the nature of the Anglicized pronunciation, its history, and comparison with the revived classical Latin pronunciation, but I have a hard time justifying doing so on this forum!

With regard to "doll" and "dole", for some speakers the two are almost indistinguishable. "Doll" isn't universally pronounced "dahl" even in the United States. In my own dialect, there is a strong tendency to overround the o before a final l, e.g. in words like boll, knoll, roll, poll, toll, troll. I don't distinguish, in speaking, roll from role, or poll from pole. Doll however I pronounce to rhyme with haul, which is in my dialect (or perhaps in this case idiolect) distinct from both hall and hole. In general this spelling distinction cannot be trusted to map accurately to individual distinctions of pronunciation.

I have always imagined "sol" being pronounced like "sole", but I have no tremor at other pronunciations, within reasonable limits.