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Final Approach, First good views of Victoria
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post Sep 19 2006, 04:03 PM
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Well, what does everyone think of our long-awaited first view..?


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post Sep 20 2006, 09:50 PM
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Another anaglyph..



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post Sep 20 2006, 09:57 PM
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Beyond doubt she is Steep and Deep as speculated back here

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ost&p=66333

This could easily take 500++ Sols to circumnavigate with numerous fascinating spots to stop and view. Finding a safe entry ramp will be a challenge. Caution is in order for this highlight of the mission.
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post Sep 20 2006, 10:08 PM
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ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

Wow, did I miss some fun while I was at work!! HATE doing a late shift, I miss EVERYTHING!!! sad.gif

Great work guys, some fascinating details in those far cliffs... roll on the next drive Oppy, ready when you are!

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post Sep 20 2006, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Shaka @ Sep 20 2006, 11:14 PM) *
How wonderfully intuitive you are, Climb! I salute you, mon ami, for you have focused on the first great discovery to be made at Victoria....
I think it must be the mountaineer in you, Climber, who instantly realised that a level depositional stratum and a violently disruptive event like mountain building (or impact cratering) are not consistent. Beau geste!

I can't believe it! Shaka's still around smile.gif I've missed you my friend smile.gif
Were you hiding into the caves I've just "discovered" or behind the Beacon? Welcome back to the best of Oppy's Exploration.


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post Sep 20 2006, 10:37 PM
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Is there someone in the rock? huh.gif biggrin.gif
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post Sep 20 2006, 10:45 PM
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An additional R2 view;



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post Sep 20 2006, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Nix @ Sep 21 2006, 12:45 AM) *
An additional R2 view;
Nico

And a lot of features and even more details on whatever is on the horizon


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post Sep 20 2006, 11:00 PM
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http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...00P2382L2M1.JPG

Plenty of detail in that far of hill on the horizon too.
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post Sep 20 2006, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE (climber @ Sep 21 2006, 08:55 AM) *
And a lot of features and even more details on whatever is on the horizon


Wow - I can't wait to see some L7 in that direction!


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post Sep 20 2006, 11:16 PM
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Shaka: "the stratum would no longer be level. The huge energy of the impact would have shattered and tumbled the evaporite far beyond its original rim."

I don't think so. Strata are exposed in lunar crater walls (Dawes being perhaps the best-imaged example) and not much disrupted by the impact Also, these outcrops are probably a bit outside the original crater cavity and have been exposed by later slope failure. No problem with this material keeping its original layering intact. Also, Shaka's view assumes that Victoria was flooded and then covered with a layer of evaporite. That would surely produce a very different morphology - the flooding and then the deposition would not leave us with such a well defined crater after the fact.

We only saw a few vertical meters exposed in Burns Cliff. This section looks to be 3 or 4 (or more) times the height. But is it higher or lower stratigraphically? Or will the Burns Cliff section actually be part of this section? Hopefully we will be able to answer that in.. a year or so! But there wasn't anything like that dramatic layer at Endurance, as far as I can remember.

When we get to the rim in a few sols, the views of the nearby 'cape' exposures will (probably) be so dramatic as to completely overshadow this amazing view of the far side (he predicted).

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post Sep 20 2006, 11:26 PM
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Here a projection of an MSSS anaglyph the way James Canvin presented earlier in this thread;

source original;
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/0...1R22640MERB.jpg

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post Sep 20 2006, 11:37 PM
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Here's my version of the Pancam anaglyph. I really recommend checking out either Nico's or this one, if you possibly can. For me, without the anaglyph, the view looks like a little model crater from some reason... but with the anaglyph, I can see Victoria is basically the Grand Canyon. I can understand why the rover team might be feeling a little overwhelmed.

But if you can't see the anaglyph, if suspect the full extent of this thing will be more apparant when we get closer, I hope in a few sols.

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post Sep 20 2006, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 20 2006, 03:16 PM) *
I don't think so. Strata are exposed in lunar crater walls (Dawes being perhaps the best-imaged example) and not much disrupted by the impact Also, these outcrops are probably a bit outside the original crater cavity and have been exposed by later slope failure.

I thought the same thing Phil, I was just trying to think of a clear, concise way to put it. Pour yourself another Molsen's on me, eh.


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post Sep 20 2006, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 21 2006, 09:16 AM) *
When we get to the rim in a few sols, the views of the nearby 'cape' exposures will (probably) be so dramatic as to completely overshadow this amazing view of the far side (he predicted).


I agree Phil. I'm quite glad we've stopped here, gives us the chance to take in the far rim a bit before we get totally overwhelmed by the rest of the crater.

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post Sep 20 2006, 11:57 PM
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Michael, that Navcam 360 is awesome too, do you have an anaglyph of that one?

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