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Final Approach, First good views of Victoria |
Sep 19 2006, 04:03 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Well, what does everyone think of our long-awaited first view..?
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Sep 20 2006, 09:50 PM
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![]() Chief Assistant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1409 Joined: 5-January 05 From: Ierapetra, Greece Member No.: 136 |
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Sep 20 2006, 09:57 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Princeton, NJ, USA Member No.: 212 |
Beyond doubt she is Steep and Deep as speculated back here
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ost&p=66333 This could easily take 500++ Sols to circumnavigate with numerous fascinating spots to stop and view. Finding a safe entry ramp will be a challenge. Caution is in order for this highlight of the mission. |
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Sep 20 2006, 10:08 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Wow, did I miss some fun while I was at work!! HATE doing a late shift, I miss EVERYTHING!!! Great work guys, some fascinating details in those far cliffs... roll on the next drive Oppy, ready when you are! -------------------- |
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Sep 20 2006, 10:21 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2924 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
How wonderfully intuitive you are, Climb! I salute you, mon ami, for you have focused on the first great discovery to be made at Victoria.... I think it must be the mountaineer in you, Climber, who instantly realised that a level depositional stratum and a violently disruptive event like mountain building (or impact cratering) are not consistent. Beau geste! I can't believe it! Shaka's still around Were you hiding into the caves I've just "discovered" or behind the Beacon? Welcome back to the best of Oppy's Exploration. -------------------- |
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Sep 20 2006, 10:37 PM
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Sep 20 2006, 10:45 PM
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Sep 20 2006, 10:55 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2924 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
An additional R2 view; Nico And a lot of features and even more details on whatever is on the horizon -------------------- |
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Sep 20 2006, 11:00 PM
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http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...00P2382L2M1.JPG
Plenty of detail in that far of hill on the horizon too. |
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Sep 20 2006, 11:13 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
And a lot of features and even more details on whatever is on the horizon Wow - I can't wait to see some L7 in that direction! -------------------- |
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Sep 20 2006, 11:16 PM
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Solar System Cartographer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10265 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Shaka: "the stratum would no longer be level. The huge energy of the impact would have shattered and tumbled the evaporite far beyond its original rim."
I don't think so. Strata are exposed in lunar crater walls (Dawes being perhaps the best-imaged example) and not much disrupted by the impact Also, these outcrops are probably a bit outside the original crater cavity and have been exposed by later slope failure. No problem with this material keeping its original layering intact. Also, Shaka's view assumes that Victoria was flooded and then covered with a layer of evaporite. That would surely produce a very different morphology - the flooding and then the deposition would not leave us with such a well defined crater after the fact. We only saw a few vertical meters exposed in Burns Cliff. This section looks to be 3 or 4 (or more) times the height. But is it higher or lower stratigraphically? Or will the Burns Cliff section actually be part of this section? Hopefully we will be able to answer that in.. a year or so! But there wasn't anything like that dramatic layer at Endurance, as far as I can remember. When we get to the rim in a few sols, the views of the nearby 'cape' exposures will (probably) be so dramatic as to completely overshadow this amazing view of the far side (he predicted). Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Sep 20 2006, 11:26 PM
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![]() Chief Assistant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1409 Joined: 5-January 05 From: Ierapetra, Greece Member No.: 136 |
Here a projection of an MSSS anaglyph the way James Canvin presented earlier in this thread;
source original; http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/0...1R22640MERB.jpg Nico -------------------- photographer, space imagery enthusiast, proud father and partner, and geek.
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Sep 20 2006, 11:37 PM
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Here's my version of the Pancam anaglyph. I really recommend checking out either Nico's or this one, if you possibly can. For me, without the anaglyph, the view looks like a little model crater from some reason... but with the anaglyph, I can see Victoria is basically the Grand Canyon. I can understand why the rover team might be feeling a little overwhelmed.
But if you can't see the anaglyph, if suspect the full extent of this thing will be more apparant when we get closer, I hope in a few sols.
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Sep 20 2006, 11:39 PM
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I don't think so. Strata are exposed in lunar crater walls (Dawes being perhaps the best-imaged example) and not much disrupted by the impact Also, these outcrops are probably a bit outside the original crater cavity and have been exposed by later slope failure. I thought the same thing Phil, I was just trying to think of a clear, concise way to put it. Pour yourself another Molsen's on me, eh. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Sep 20 2006, 11:45 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
When we get to the rim in a few sols, the views of the nearby 'cape' exposures will (probably) be so dramatic as to completely overshadow this amazing view of the far side (he predicted). I agree Phil. I'm quite glad we've stopped here, gives us the chance to take in the far rim a bit before we get totally overwhelmed by the rest of the crater. James -------------------- |
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Sep 20 2006, 11:57 PM
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![]() Chief Assistant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1409 Joined: 5-January 05 From: Ierapetra, Greece Member No.: 136 |
Michael, that Navcam 360 is awesome too, do you have an anaglyph of that one?
Nico -------------------- photographer, space imagery enthusiast, proud father and partner, and geek.
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