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Victoria's Stratigraphy
Bill Harris
post Oct 2 2006, 01:56 AM
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Here are a series of false-color L257 Pancams of the current Oppy traverse stop. I'm still in the "arch the eyebrows and muttering 'fascinating' " mode so I don't have any words of wisdom right away. We can discuss over the next few day/sols before she moves on to the next miracle...

Cabo Frio: (order is #3, #1, #2 from left):

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post Oct 3 2006, 06:07 AM
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I am so blown away by the long baseline anaglyphs of the opposite rim that I am having a difficult time thinking of anything else.

QUOTE (tdemko @ Oct 2 2006, 11:06 AM) *
Here is my quick-n-dirty interpretation of the stratal geometry of Cabo Verde on a photo posted yesterday by Nix. ...
tdemko: Thanks. That looks good. Although they were not apparent on some of the images we saw at first, those dune foresets are there if we look for them, even though the upper part seems massive at first. I really was not expecting the ejecta to be so thick here. That, and the apparent, later collapse features are giving me fits. I think the only way I can deal with this is to retire from my day job.

Another thing that continues to confuse me is the way the term "evaporite" is so frequently used here. I thought that all of the rocks we have seen are really sandstones that have been later cemented by evaporites. What is the "evaporite" layer many keep talking about? Is it the upper part of the Burns formation seen at Endurance?
QUOTE (algorimancer @ Oct 2 2006, 03:41 PM) *
Not necessarily relevant, but do caves form in evaporite (salt, on earth) in the same way that they do in limestone? In other words, is there an evaporite version of karst terrain to look for on Mars?
Algorimacer: Such things exist, but they are very uncommon compared to the karst terrains created in carbonate rocks, afaik. There are a lot of reasons for that, but imho the most important reasons are that salts are simply quite soluble in water, and such rocks have little mechanical strength. Carbonate rocks are only slightly soluble in plain water, but more so in commonly available, acidified water, and carbonate rocks have significant mechanical strength...so cavities formed in them are more durable.

O'Doug: These are probably quite soft rocks, but I would think not quite as friable as you suggest. Regardless of that, the important thing to consider in erosive environments is the relative durability of the layers. These cliffs exist, regardless of how incompetent they may be.


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post Oct 3 2006, 07:29 AM
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QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 3 2006, 01:07 AM) *
Another thing that continues to confuse me is the way the term "evaporite" is so frequently used here. I thought that all of the rocks we have seen are really sandstones that have been later cemented by evaporites. What is the "evaporite" layer many keep talking about? Is it the upper part of the Burns formation seen at Endurance?

Actually, I believe I was the first one here on UMSF to refer to the light-toned, layered bedrock first seen in Eagle and later seen, well, everywhere at Meridiani as evaporite. It was about a week after I first used the term that I can first remember Squyres using it during a press conference or in one of his updates. I started using it because of the Anatolia-like crack features I could make out in the enhanced DIMES images, which suggested strongly to me the polygonality of dried sea floor beds. It just made sense to me that the surface we were seeing was the result of the dessication and shrinkage of a wet sand or mud unit; when the first-look at the rocks revealed them to be composed largely of sulfur salts, I laid the label of evaporite on them.

Technically, I suppose only the sulfur-salt matrix of the light-toned rocks are actually formed from evaporation of acidic, high-sulfur groundwater, and the resulting rocks are more accurately described as sandstones with evaporitic cementation. But since the high-sulfur-salt-content rocks were formed by multiple epochs of evaporation (and possibly sublimation?) of sulfurous, acidic water, it's just been a good shorthand to refer to them as evaporite rocks. And it differentiates them from the more pure sandstones that seem to underly the evaporite layers (the lower portions of the Burns formation).

I just keep wondering -- if there's a Burns formation, oughtn't there be a Smithers formation? smile.gif

-the other Doug


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- Bill Harris   Victoria's Stratigraphy   Oct 2 2006, 01:56 AM
- - Bill Harris   Image #4 at Cabo Frio:   Oct 2 2006, 02:00 AM
- - Bill Harris   Cabo Verde (order is #1, #2, #4, #3, from left):   Oct 2 2006, 02:07 AM
- - nprev   Good grief, and mega<clinks> for the swear j...   Oct 2 2006, 02:12 AM
- - Myran   Wind erosion - of course we see wind erosion! ...   Oct 2 2006, 03:41 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Bill, I can see you are finding interesting things...   Oct 2 2006, 05:24 AM
- - Bill Harris   Not only the geology of this locale, but also, and...   Oct 2 2006, 10:41 AM
- - diane   I do find the stratigraphy of Cabo Frio to be myst...   Oct 2 2006, 10:59 AM
|- - Gray   QUOTE (diane @ Oct 2 2006, 10:59 AM) I do...   Oct 2 2006, 01:49 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (diane @ Oct 2 2006, 11:59 AM) I do...   Oct 2 2006, 02:22 PM
|- - sranderson   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 2 2006, 08:22 AM) I...   Oct 2 2006, 03:25 PM
- - prometheus   Cabo Frio in 3D   Oct 2 2006, 12:39 PM
- - tdemko   Here is my quick-n-dirty interpretation of the str...   Oct 2 2006, 04:06 PM
- - dvandorn   That all makes sense to me. What doesn't make...   Oct 2 2006, 04:56 PM
|- - Nix   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 2 2006, 06:56 PM) ....   Oct 2 2006, 05:08 PM
|- - Gray   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 2 2006, 04:56 PM) ....   Oct 2 2006, 05:41 PM
||- - sranderson   QUOTE (Gray @ Oct 2 2006, 11:41 AM) Quote...   Oct 2 2006, 07:14 PM
|- - WindyT   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 2 2006, 04:56 PM) A...   Oct 2 2006, 07:14 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 2 2006, 09:56 AM) A...   Oct 8 2006, 03:13 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 8 2006, 05:13 AM) S...   Oct 8 2006, 04:11 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (tty @ Oct 8 2006, 09:11 AM) It isn...   Oct 9 2006, 08:45 PM
- - algorimancer   Not necessarily relevant, but do caves form in eva...   Oct 2 2006, 08:41 PM
|- - helvick   I don't know if they form Karsts but a quick g...   Oct 2 2006, 08:54 PM
||- - ustrax   QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 2 2006, 09:54 PM) I ...   Oct 3 2006, 10:52 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Oct 2 2006, 10:41 P...   Oct 3 2006, 05:57 PM
- - CosmicRocker   I am so blown away by the long baseline anaglyphs ...   Oct 3 2006, 06:07 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 3 2006, 01:07 A...   Oct 3 2006, 07:29 AM
- - dvandorn   I just checked my old posts, and the term I used f...   Oct 3 2006, 07:48 AM
- - Bill Harris   Now that we have "drill holes and cores...   Oct 3 2006, 11:07 AM
- - aldo12xu   Belated congratulations on your retirement, Bill...   Oct 3 2006, 04:44 PM
- - CosmicRocker   I understand that we have all conveniently used th...   Oct 4 2006, 05:21 AM
- - Bill Harris   Complex, yet unknown, Tom. Let me post again the ...   Oct 4 2006, 09:28 AM
|- - Nix   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 4 2006, 11:28 AM...   Oct 4 2006, 10:09 AM
- - Aberdeenastro   Bill, I'm assuming that the Upper Unit in tha...   Oct 4 2006, 09:55 AM
- - tdemko   Thanks, Bill, for reposting the stratigraphic colu...   Oct 4 2006, 03:20 PM
- - Bill Harris   Very good duscussion and guidance, Tim. I confess...   Oct 4 2006, 06:35 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Thanks everyone, for the more-than-adequate explan...   Oct 5 2006, 05:28 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 4 2006, 09:28 P...   Oct 5 2006, 04:55 PM
|- - lars_J   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 5 2006, 12:28 A...   Oct 5 2006, 11:14 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (lars_J @ Oct 5 2006, 01:14 PM) But...   Oct 6 2006, 12:00 AM
|- - WindyT   QUOTE (lars_J @ Oct 5 2006, 11:14 PM) I f...   Oct 7 2006, 10:45 PM
- - CosmicRocker   I didn't quite have enough space left to inclu...   Oct 5 2006, 05:41 AM
- - Bill Harris   Thanks, Tom. Very relevant post for understanding ...   Oct 5 2006, 08:01 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 5 2006, 09:01 AM...   Oct 5 2006, 04:34 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 5 2006, 06:34 AM) ... ...   Oct 7 2006, 07:24 PM
|- - David   I don't see how a crater the size of Victoria ...   Oct 7 2006, 09:30 PM
- - aldo12xu   Yes, thanks Tom for reminding us of Edgett's p...   Oct 5 2006, 04:45 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (aldo12xu @ Oct 5 2006, 06:45 AM) 1...   Oct 5 2006, 07:04 PM
- - kenny   The fact that exhumation of layers is steadily tak...   Oct 5 2006, 04:58 PM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 5 2006, 11:55 AM...   Oct 6 2006, 06:56 AM
- - Shaka   David, You seem to be making the unconscious assum...   Oct 7 2006, 10:32 PM
- - Shaka   We may be clearing up much of the uncertainties ab...   Oct 8 2006, 12:09 AM
|- - Pavel   QUOTE (Shaka @ Oct 7 2006, 08:09 PM) We a...   Oct 9 2006, 03:59 PM
- - dvandorn   I keep hearing people wondering how a crater the s...   Oct 8 2006, 02:39 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 8 2006, 04:39 AM) I...   Oct 8 2006, 06:41 PM
- - Bill Harris   One thing that would prove to be very helpful in u...   Oct 8 2006, 07:42 PM
- - CosmicRocker   That's a good point, Bill, and a good link. T...   Oct 9 2006, 05:10 AM
- - Bill Harris   I've spent some time going over those MSSS exa...   Oct 9 2006, 05:27 AM
- - MarkL   It appears to me that Victoria is a rare specimen ...   Oct 9 2006, 05:08 PM
|- - Steve   QUOTE (MarkL @ Oct 9 2006, 01:08 PM) ... ...   Oct 9 2006, 05:36 PM
- - Nix   My initial impression from the jagged-edge of Vict...   Oct 9 2006, 05:13 PM
- - fredk   MarkL, check out the image in this post which was ...   Oct 9 2006, 05:28 PM
|- - MarkL   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 9 2006, 05:28 PM) Mark...   Oct 9 2006, 05:54 PM
- - Shaka   Reply to Markl: Yes, I do agree that there is some...   Oct 9 2006, 07:10 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Shaka @ Oct 9 2006, 03:10 PM) I ca...   Oct 9 2006, 08:25 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Oct 9 2006, 10:25 AM)...   Oct 10 2006, 01:14 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Shaka @ Oct 9 2006, 09:14 PM) I...   Oct 10 2006, 11:48 AM
- - CosmicRocker   It really is enlightening to see how we all are lo...   Oct 10 2006, 05:26 AM
- - Bill Harris   I'll agree with your assessment 101%. I think...   Oct 10 2006, 08:17 AM
|- - WindyT   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 10 2006, 08:17 A...   Oct 10 2006, 03:11 PM
- - diane   One thing that I noticed (and I've gone lookin...   Oct 10 2006, 11:06 AM
|- - Tom Ames   QUOTE (diane @ Oct 10 2006, 07:06 AM) One...   Oct 10 2006, 03:25 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (diane @ Oct 10 2006, 01:06 AM) One...   Oct 10 2006, 08:55 PM
- - MarkL   Here's a crop of the north-east part of the ...   Oct 10 2006, 12:48 PM
- - aldo12xu   Tom, that's an excellent example of two buried...   Oct 10 2006, 02:55 PM
- - diane   With the shadows at about 8:00 (see aldo12xu's...   Oct 10 2006, 03:30 PM
|- - Tom Ames   QUOTE (diane @ Oct 10 2006, 11:30 AM) Wit...   Oct 10 2006, 11:33 PM
- - Gray   Just a quick comment. I wouldn't descibe the ...   Oct 10 2006, 03:51 PM
|- - MarkL   QUOTE (Gray @ Oct 10 2006, 03:51 PM) Just...   Oct 10 2006, 07:40 PM
- - Bill Harris   You are correct, this is a complex area and no one...   Oct 10 2006, 04:17 PM
- - dvandorn   Yes, but the lunar "structural grid" is...   Oct 10 2006, 07:29 PM
- - tdemko   I have stayed out the buried crater discussion for...   Oct 10 2006, 10:20 PM
- - Bill Harris   Look at the MRO grayscale image of Victoria. All...   Oct 10 2006, 11:52 PM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 11 2006, 12:52 A...   Oct 11 2006, 08:41 AM
|- - MarkL   QUOTE (AndyG @ Oct 11 2006, 08:41 AM) Doe...   Oct 11 2006, 04:23 PM
- - Bill Harris   I've long poo-pooed the idea that the Meridian...   Oct 11 2006, 09:55 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 10 2006, 11:55 P...   Oct 11 2006, 06:53 PM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (Shaka @ Oct 11 2006, 07:53 PM) I f...   Oct 12 2006, 09:04 AM
- - edstrick   Hi-Rise shows enough very small but fresh-ish crat...   Oct 11 2006, 10:20 AM
- - Bill Harris   Here are four views of the ejecta balnket clipped ...   Oct 12 2006, 01:40 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 11 2006, 03:40 P...   Oct 12 2006, 05:30 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Bill: I think I see what you are saying, but I wa...   Oct 12 2006, 05:37 AM
- - alan   Relatively in-place bedrock = future cape?   Oct 12 2006, 05:55 AM
- - Bill Harris   Tom, I noted that in-place bedrock (or rather, the...   Oct 12 2006, 07:46 AM
- - Bill Harris   And that is why we are seeing the (paleo) ripples ...   Oct 12 2006, 02:26 PM
- - MarkL   Back to the thin white line we've seen around ...   Oct 12 2006, 03:38 PM
- - fredk   I don't think we can infer from that overhead ...   Oct 12 2006, 04:47 PM
- - Bill Harris   That depends on what type of rock the light-toned ...   Oct 12 2006, 04:59 PM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (alan @ Oct 12 2006, 12:55 AM) Rela...   Oct 13 2006, 05:24 AM
- - jamescanvin   One thing I had not appreciated until I looked at ...   Oct 13 2006, 07:01 AM
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