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Is Ceres still an Asteroid? Another IAU flip up?, Ceres Dual Classification?
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post Oct 15 2006, 01:45 AM
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I had assumed that 1 Ceres was still considered an Asteroid since it orbits in the asteroid belt and has the same origin as the other asteroids.

But I noticed that on wikipedia they say: "Ceres is a 'dwarf planet', and may no longer be classified as an asteroid."

Wikipedia cites the IAU website at http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/...u0603_Q_A2.html that states:
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Q: What is Ceres?

A: Ceres is (or now we can say it was) the largest asteroid, about 1000 km across, orbiting in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Ceres now qualifies as a dwarf planet because it is now known to be large enough (massive enough) to have self-gravity pulling itself into a nearly round shape. [Published reference for shape of Ceres: P. Thomas et al. (2005), Nature 437, 224-227. Dr. Peter Thomas is at Cornell University.] Ceres orbits within the asteroid belt and is an example of a case of an object that does not orbit in a clear path. There are many other asteroids that can cross the orbital path of Ceres.

Q: Didn’t Ceres used to be called an asteroid or minor planet?

A: Historically, Ceres was called a “planet” when it was first discovered (in 1801) orbiting in what is known as the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Because 19 th century astronomers could not resolve the size and shape of Ceres, and because numerous other bodies were discovered in the same region, Ceres lost its planetary status. For more than a century, Ceres has been referred to as an asteroid or minor planet.
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Is Ceres still classified as an asteroid since it is located in the asteroid belt? Pluto is a Kuiper Belt Object (KBO) even though it is also a 'dwarf planet'.

Has Pallas become the 1st asteroid discovered? Has Vesta become the largest asteroid (at least until the IAU decides that since Vesta is a damaged, differentiated protoplanet that it was probably spherical in the past)? *IF* Ceres is truely no longer an asteroid, because it is spherical, then those two very basic questions have new answers!

How do we contact the IAU for an official statement on the classification of Ceres as an asteroid?

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djellison
post Oct 17 2006, 09:04 AM
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Minor planet would make a lot more sense than 'dwarf' planet - but neither is appropriate for a class of body that hasn't 'cleaned up' it's area. That would be like calling anyone who lives in a block of apartments a dwarf human.

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- Kevin Heider   Is Ceres still an Asteroid? Another IAU flip up?   Oct 15 2006, 01:45 AM
- - djellison   Don't ask the IAU - they don't have a clue...   Oct 15 2006, 09:23 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 15 2006, 01:23 AM)...   Oct 15 2006, 03:02 PM
|- - Jyril   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 15 2006, 06:02 P...   Oct 15 2006, 03:26 PM
- - edstrick   The FUNDAMENTAL problem is that the term "Pla...   Oct 15 2006, 11:00 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 15 2006, 12:00 PM) ...   Oct 15 2006, 12:21 PM
|- - angel1801   I would assume (unless the IAU says otherwise) tha...   Oct 15 2006, 02:17 PM
- - alan   QUOTE Has Pallas become the 1st asteroid discovere...   Oct 15 2006, 02:46 PM
- - Jyril   Ceres is still an asteroid. The terms 'asteroi...   Oct 15 2006, 02:57 PM
- - Mariner9   edstrick said it best: 'planet' is a term...   Oct 15 2006, 07:36 PM
- - edstrick   Another term, one I actually hope gets adopted, is...   Oct 16 2006, 10:01 AM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 16 2006, 04:01 AM) ...   Oct 16 2006, 01:48 PM
- - Stephen   QUOTE (Kevin Heider @ Oct 15 2006, 01:45 ...   Oct 17 2006, 05:38 AM
- - Jyril   Asteroids no longer exists!? What happened to ...   Oct 17 2006, 08:44 AM
- - djellison   Minor planet would make a lot more sense than ...   Oct 17 2006, 09:04 AM
- - nprev   Again, this is the age-old battle between the huma...   Oct 18 2006, 04:06 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 17 2006, 09:06 PM) Aga...   Oct 18 2006, 10:18 PM
|- - Kevin Heider   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 18 2006, 03:18 PM) ...   Oct 20 2006, 03:26 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Kevin Heider @ Oct 19 2006, 08:26 ...   Oct 20 2006, 06:29 AM
- - akuo   As far as I know, Pluto has been assigned a minor ...   Oct 18 2006, 08:40 AM
- - Jyril   Dwarf planets are not SSSBs. That is clear from th...   Oct 18 2006, 09:17 AM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (Jyril @ Oct 18 2006, 02:17 AM) Dwa...   Oct 18 2006, 06:39 PM
- - Jyril   What do you mean? There are only 3 non-SSSB minor ...   Oct 18 2006, 07:05 PM
- - nprev   Couldn't agree more, JR. It's hard by de...   Oct 19 2006, 09:04 AM
- - Mariner9   As an aside, I've found a useful comeback for...   Oct 19 2006, 08:46 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Oct 19 2006, 01:46 PM) ...   Oct 19 2006, 10:05 PM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Oct 20 2006, 06:46 AM) ...   Oct 25 2006, 02:11 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Stephen @ Oct 24 2006, 07:11 PM) W...   Oct 25 2006, 02:38 AM
- - nprev   Again, I think that the Mercury Standard is perfec...   Oct 23 2006, 12:42 AM
- - akuo   "Mercury-standard" is in no way acceptab...   Oct 23 2006, 09:05 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (akuo @ Oct 23 2006, 09:05 AM) ...   Oct 24 2006, 10:32 AM
- - nprev   ...and Ganymede, Callisto, Titan and Triton were k...   Oct 23 2006, 09:19 AM
- - gpurcell   As far as I am concerned, Pluto is still a planet ...   Oct 24 2006, 01:50 PM
|- - Kevin Heider   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Oct 24 2006, 06:50 AM) ...   Oct 24 2006, 05:40 PM
|- - gpurcell   QUOTE (Kevin Heider @ Oct 24 2006, 05:40 ...   Oct 24 2006, 06:17 PM
||- - Kevin Heider   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Oct 24 2006, 11:17 AM) ...   Oct 24 2006, 08:39 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Kevin Heider @ Oct 24 2006, 10:40 ...   Oct 24 2006, 08:40 PM
- - rogelio   Pluto-bashers: Please note the following cultural-...   Oct 24 2006, 06:58 PM
- - djellison   It's getting personal in here...don't make...   Oct 24 2006, 07:09 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Been a while since High School, I gather. :-) Not...   Oct 25 2006, 01:36 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Oct 24 2006, 06:3...   Oct 25 2006, 01:55 AM
- - Greg Hullender   A point worth mentioning for the benefit of the ...   Oct 25 2006, 03:14 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Oct 24 2006, 08:1...   Oct 25 2006, 07:57 PM
- - nprev   Ye gods...gotta tell ya, I'm about ready to ca...   Oct 25 2006, 04:10 AM
- - gpurcell   The real issue I see here is a fundamental misuse ...   Oct 25 2006, 08:31 PM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Oct 25 2006, 01:31 PM) ...   Oct 26 2006, 02:00 AM


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