My Assistant
Manned Landing On Titan, Issues & Answers? |
Oct 19 2006, 09:08 PM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Just got to thinking about some of the problems that may have to be addressed if & when we ever try to visit Titan in person.
The first thing that comes to mind is what might happen if some Titanian air gets inside an oxygen-rich manned spacecraft, say from minor airlock residue. I imagine that the explosive potential of some of the trace gasses is pretty high, and there's probably also a significant risk of poisonous compounds as well. So, here are some tenative requirements: 1. REALLY efficient air-scavenging airlocks. 2. Surface suits that can't trap external gasses in creases, folds, etc. 3. Spark-proof electrical/electronic everything. 4. Smoking is strictly forbidden (with apologies to the entire 1950s SF movie genre!) Gotta be more...any ideas? -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
|
|
|
|
![]() |
Nov 26 2007, 08:43 AM
Post
#2
|
|
![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Oh, I understand -- uranium has a higher potential energy density than a lithium battery. I'm just thinking in terms of logistics. Any plan that requires bringing along enough fissile materials to support a manned base is going to be harder to accomplish (in terms of just getting everything to Titan and setting it up) than a plan that can actually draw enough power for its operations from indigenous sources.
Titan is just so energy-poor... you'd need to cover hundreds of square kilometers of landscape with solar cells to get anything useful at that distance from the Sun and through that thick haze. And you just can't extract heat out of a system that doesn't have any... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Nov 26 2007, 09:08 AM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Founder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Any plan that requires bringing along enough fissile materials to support a manned base is going to be harder to accomplish (in terms of just getting everything to Titan and setting it up) than a plan that can actually draw enough power for its operations from indigenous sources. Not really, no. It's entirely dependent on the mass of a small reactor compared to the mass of whatever equipment and resources you bring along to use 'indigenous' sources (such as taking O2 to burn local material) I would also have thought the former would be simpler and more reliable. That one would be heavier than another is not certain. Doug |
|
|
|
nprev Manned Landing On Titan Oct 19 2006, 09:08 PM
RedSky In reference to your item #4... here's somethi... Oct 19 2006, 09:48 PM
volcanopele You definitely want a very efficient air filtering... Oct 19 2006, 09:59 PM
ngunn I would love to go, but I'd prefer to be insid... Oct 20 2006, 01:15 PM
ugordan I find it compelling that you could go around on T... Oct 20 2006, 01:28 PM
JRehling The really compelling thing (offset by many hazard... Oct 20 2006, 09:08 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 20 2006, 04:08 PM) ... Oct 21 2006, 03:18 AM
mchan QUOTE (ugordan @ Oct 20 2006, 06:28 AM) I... Oct 21 2006, 02:28 AM
Stephen QUOTE (ugordan @ Oct 21 2006, 12:28 AM) I... Nov 28 2007, 07:13 AM
JonClarke A slightly higher internal than external pressure ... Oct 21 2006, 06:19 AM
djellison What would be the physiological effects of living ... Oct 21 2006, 09:16 AM
nprev 1.6+ bar and mostly nitrogen to boot. If the lande... Oct 21 2006, 12:19 PM
JonClarke QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 21 2006, 12:19 PM) 1.6... Oct 22 2006, 09:05 AM
tasp A vacuum capable airlock might be rather heavy to ... Oct 21 2006, 02:09 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 21 2006, 03:09 PM) but ... Oct 21 2006, 11:27 PM
nprev Yeah, I suspect that the funk factor of Titan... Oct 21 2006, 10:14 PM
tasp From the Titan chapter in The New Solar System, I ... Oct 22 2006, 02:00 AM
nprev Oh, okay; so maybe the pressure differential isn... Oct 22 2006, 10:56 PM
JonClarke QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 22 2006, 10:56 PM) I h... Oct 23 2006, 12:21 AM
RNeuhaus How will the astronauts will be able to talk to th... Oct 23 2006, 03:13 AM
ugordan Easily. They will not talk. They will send message... Oct 23 2006, 07:02 AM
nprev Yeah, on pretty much any body but the Moon real-ti... Oct 23 2006, 07:41 AM
nprev Reviving this thread just because it's interes... Nov 24 2007, 08:08 AM
Juramike QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 24 2007, 03:08 AM) Rev... Nov 24 2007, 02:45 PM
djellison Look up how much effort they took to make sure the... Nov 24 2007, 09:54 AM
nprev Great, interesting thoughts as per usual, Mike... Nov 24 2007, 03:21 PM
Reckless Realising that Titan's atmosphere is 98% plus ... Nov 24 2007, 03:45 PM
nprev Only thing I can think of would be an electrical p... Nov 24 2007, 04:35 PM
ngunn Combustion is not my field but I'd be surprise... Nov 24 2007, 05:07 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Nov 24 2007, 12:07 PM) Com... Nov 24 2007, 09:18 PM
nprev Ah. Then we need to just ground the hell out of th... Nov 24 2007, 06:46 PM
Reckless Thanks for the replys all. I feel a lot safer now ... Nov 24 2007, 08:04 PM
nprev Eek. So, outside-only booties & gloves stowed ... Nov 24 2007, 11:23 PM
tty 20 % O2 would seem excessive (and probably unhealt... Nov 25 2007, 08:52 PM
nprev Hey, that's a great point about self-sealing l... Nov 25 2007, 11:45 PM
Juramike Hydrocarbon solvents have a very low electical con... Nov 26 2007, 12:29 AM
nprev Think that would depend on the composition of the ... Nov 26 2007, 01:02 AM
dvandorn All in all, though, Nick, Titan offers more of the... Nov 26 2007, 05:38 AM
tty QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 26 2007, 06:38 AM) ... Nov 26 2007, 07:16 AM
nprev QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 25 2007, 09:38 PM) ... Nov 26 2007, 12:00 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 25 2007, 11:38 PM) ... Nov 26 2007, 07:37 AM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 26 2007, 07:37 AM) ... Nov 26 2007, 08:34 AM
ngunn Has anyone mentioned 'hydro'power? All you... Nov 26 2007, 09:49 AM
Juramike Nigel nailed it! There are lots of really goo... Nov 26 2007, 12:52 PM
djellison I assume this is all 500 years-from-now-Titan-colo... Nov 26 2007, 01:41 PM
ngunn QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 26 2007, 01:41 PM)... Nov 26 2007, 02:03 PM
tasp 'Tracking in' materials from outside might... Nov 26 2007, 03:08 PM
Juramike QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 26 2007, 10:08 AM) Tita... Nov 26 2007, 03:47 PM
dvandorn What still concerns me about any operations on Tit... Nov 27 2007, 05:53 AM
ngunn QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 27 2007, 05:53 AM) ... Nov 27 2007, 09:34 AM
Juramike The cold is going to be THE big problem facing pro... Nov 27 2007, 01:30 PM
nprev Odd how the analogies between Venus & Titan ke... Nov 28 2007, 01:08 AM
edstrick Some of the surface materials may DETONATE on bein... Nov 28 2007, 09:25 AM
ngunn QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 28 2007, 09:25 AM) ... Nov 28 2007, 09:44 AM
Juramike QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 28 2007, 04:25 AM) ... Nov 28 2007, 09:15 PM
rlorenz Re: stuff blowing up on Titan
QUOTE (Juramike ... Dec 1 2007, 03:00 PM
nprev Good grief... !!! Are you saying that... Nov 29 2007, 01:04 AM
Juramike QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 28 2007, 08:04 PM) Goo... Nov 29 2007, 12:42 PM
djellison QUOTE (Juramike @ Nov 29 2007, 12:42 PM) ... Nov 29 2007, 12:51 PM

Juramike QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 29 2007, 07:51 AM)... Nov 29 2007, 03:54 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Juramike @ Nov 29 2007, 02:42 AM) ... Nov 29 2007, 07:04 PM
nprev QUOTE (Shaka @ Nov 29 2007, 11:04 AM) Are... Nov 30 2007, 07:51 AM
edstrick "Do you have a reference for this? I poked ar... Nov 30 2007, 11:45 AM
nprev ...thank you, Ed, but all credit to Shaka for that... Dec 1 2007, 10:10 AM
nprev Well, assuming for the moment that we're not l... Dec 1 2007, 03:45 PM
David QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 1 2007, 03:45 PM) Well... Dec 2 2007, 02:36 AM
nprev QUOTE (David @ Dec 1 2007, 06:36 PM) Ther... Dec 2 2007, 05:57 AM
David QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 2 2007, 05:57 AM) True... Dec 2 2007, 05:19 PM
dvandorn How effectively, given current materials technolog... Dec 2 2007, 08:35 AM
nprev Ahrrr...har, har, har, David! Yeah, I'm ... Dec 2 2007, 07:04 PM![]() ![]() |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 17th December 2024 - 07:32 AM |
|
RULES AND GUIDELINES Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting. IMAGE COPYRIGHT |
OPINIONS AND MODERATION Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators. |
SUPPORT THE FORUM Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member. |
|