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 Oct 29 2006, 04:50 PM
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Presumably we will see a HIRISE image of the Pathfinder site at some point, so I am posting a polar view of the site here for comparison. I started with the Presidential Panorama. There was a slight mis-match between the ends of the pan - as if it had been slightly cropped for posting - which I can't fix, but it doesn't do too much damage to the polar view.
Phil (PS - no, I can't really spare the time for this but you know how it is)
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Dec 9 2006, 12:00 AM
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Member Group: Senior Member Posts: 136 Joined: 8-August 06 Member No.: 1022 |
Folks:
Here's my last pre-HiRISE plot of the location of MPF in MOC image R0501414. Slightly brighter dot at end of yellow line is the lander. MSSS' January 2000 release had it right, but they changed their "best estimate" locations in the 2004 and 2005 releases. I've searched until I'm nearly blind for anything that might be shouting "parachute" or "backshell", but I think the topography at this site is just too rough to identify them at MOC resolution. -Tim.
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Dec 9 2006, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 9 2006, 12:00 AM)  Folks: I've searched until I'm nearly blind for anything that might be shouting "parachute" or "backshell", That's two of us  I was very suprised there's no sign of the MPF backshell UNTIL....I saw the HiRISE imagery of the MERB Backshell and realised that MOC never really showed us the MERB backshell but actually just a large swathe of light soil kicked up by its impact...it should have been obvious when comparing to rover views of the hardware, but it never quite clicked into perspective. I'm fairly sure HiRISE will pick it up easily though.It's interestig to compare the backshells of all 4 spacecraft imaged so far. By virtue of their EDL timeline, the Viking backshells have floated softly to the ground and look just about perfect sat there. After bridle cut, it seems that the MERA chute reinflated thus letting the backshell land softly - but the same doesn't seem to be true of MERB, where the chute appears smaller on the ground and the backshell very obviously not intact suggesting no chute reinflation and thus a hard backshell landing. It will be interesting to see what Pathfinder did! Doug |
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Phil Stooke Pathfinder site Oct 29 2006, 04:50 PM
djellison That's a bit freaky, I was thinking "hmm ... Oct 29 2006, 05:19 PM
climber QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 29 2006, 06:19 PM)... Oct 29 2006, 08:51 PM Astrophil Am I right in thinking that the current state of k... Oct 29 2006, 09:21 PM tedstryk I was 18 at the time of the Pathfinder mission. I... Oct 29 2006, 11:39 PM Sunspot How much bigger is Pathfinder than one of the MER... Oct 29 2006, 06:30 PM djellison The white grid on that image is 4m squares - and t... Oct 29 2006, 06:54 PM tedstryk I have posted it before, but this is a Sojourner p... Oct 29 2006, 07:41 PM Phil Stooke Yes, except that I prefer this slight adjustment, ... Oct 29 2006, 09:51 PM tim53 QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 29 2006, 01:51 P... Dec 7 2006, 01:57 AM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 6 2006, 03:57 PM) Inte... Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM tim53 QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 7 2006, 10:38 ... Dec 7 2006, 06:41 PM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 7 2006, 08:41 AM) Thei... Dec 7 2006, 07:09 PM djellison I was 18, got up early to watch some coverage on B... Oct 30 2006, 08:13 AM Phil Stooke Well, I guess this is the next test, Pathfinder... Dec 5 2006, 01:57 PM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 5 2006, 03:57 AM... Dec 5 2006, 05:36 PM tuvas QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 5 2006, 10:36 ... Dec 5 2006, 07:10 PM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tuvas @ Dec 5 2006, 09:10 AM) You ... Dec 5 2006, 07:11 PM djellison And they're all OVER the place
Personally - ... Dec 5 2006, 08:52 PM Phil Stooke Here's the comparison. I had not noticed thei... Dec 7 2006, 07:14 PM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 7 2006, 09:14 AM... Dec 7 2006, 07:33 PM tim53 QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 7 2006, 11:33 ... Dec 7 2006, 09:12 PM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 7 2006, 11:12 AM) The ... Dec 7 2006, 09:18 PM Sunspot With Pathfinder being bigger than the rovers... i... Dec 7 2006, 07:27 PM Sunspot Whats this? Image processing artefacts a hair on ... Dec 9 2006, 12:14 AM tim53 QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 8 2006, 04:14 PM) Wh... Dec 9 2006, 12:50 AM Phil Stooke I like that location, Tim. I have labelled a few ... Dec 10 2006, 04:39 AM Sunspot Regarding the final position of Sojourner. The ro... Dec 10 2006, 10:40 PM djellison QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 10 2006, 10:40 PM) R... Dec 10 2006, 11:47 PM ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 10 2006, 11:47 PM)... Dec 11 2006, 11:32 AM Sunspot awwww poor thing lol. Hopefully we'll find ou... Dec 11 2006, 12:02 AM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 10 2006, 02:02 PM) a... Dec 11 2006, 08:17 PM ElkGroveDan QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 11 2006, 12:17... Dec 11 2006, 08:19 PM AlexBlackwell QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 11 2006, 10:17... Dec 11 2006, 08:30 PM MizarKey My money is on the chipmunks having secured the so... Dec 11 2006, 04:16 PM PDP8E Pathfinder Overhead shot is up on the HIRISE site ... Jan 10 2007, 08:10 PM djellison Twin peaks is suprisingly a bit "hmm - where... Jan 11 2007, 04:42 PM AlexBlackwell Question: How accurate was the analysis based on t... Jan 11 2007, 08:50 PM tim53 QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 11 2007, 12:50... Jan 11 2007, 10:05 PM jamescanvin QUOTE (tim53 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:05 AM) MSS... Jan 11 2007, 11:23 PM Toma B Has anybody downloaded that full res .jp2 image of... Jan 11 2007, 11:24 PM jamescanvin See the old style page http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.ed... Jan 11 2007, 11:52 PM elakdawalla B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Jan 11 2007, 03:24 PM... Jan 12 2007, 01:53 AM Sunspot Why don't the solar panels show up at all? To... Jan 11 2007, 11:37 PM djellison Not full res by the way....I downsized it about 50... Jan 12 2007, 12:01 AM djellison Best thing I could find to overlay it one of these... Jan 12 2007, 12:03 AM ElkGroveDan QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 11 2007, 04:03 PM)... Jan 12 2007, 04:09 PM Myran Thank you PDP8E.
And now lets see for those two ... Jan 12 2007, 12:04 AM jamescanvin Comparing the jpgs released by NASA with the jp2 f... Jan 12 2007, 12:18 AM tuvas QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jan 11 2007, 05:18 P... Jan 12 2007, 05:40 AM djellison Not sure if it really adds anything - but worth a ... Jan 12 2007, 12:49 AM nprev QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 11 2007, 04:49 PM)... Jan 12 2007, 02:06 AM tim53 QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 11 2007, 06:06 PM) Act... Jan 12 2007, 05:10 AM Chmee QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 11 2007, 09:06 PM) Pur... Jan 13 2007, 02:16 PM tim53 I don't know if it's common knowledge yet,... Jan 12 2007, 01:38 AM ElkGroveDan Now that we see the location of the backshell, chu... Jan 12 2007, 02:57 AM djellison QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jan 12 2007, 02:57 A... Jan 12 2007, 08:50 AM tim53 QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 12 2007, 12:50 AM)... Jan 12 2007, 04:46 PM AlexBlackwell Tim, given that we now know the precise location o... Jan 12 2007, 01:47 AM tim53 QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 11 2007, 05:47... Jan 12 2007, 05:01 AM jamescanvin jpg on the left, jp2 on the right.
That's wha... Jan 12 2007, 05:58 AM tuvas QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jan 11 2007, 10:58 P... Jan 12 2007, 05:50 PM jamescanvin QUOTE (tuvas @ Jan 13 2007, 04:50 AM) I c... Jan 14 2007, 09:56 PM Nix Twin Peaks, Backshell & Parachute, MPF itself ... Jan 12 2007, 10:11 AM djellison No - there really is a big bit of airbag material ... Jan 13 2007, 03:28 PM jumpjack QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 13 2007, 04:28 PM)... Jan 14 2007, 04:55 PM tedstryk Pathfinder was killed by battery failure. They tr... Jan 14 2007, 06:03 PM edstrick ".. Power went from the RTG to the battery to... Jan 15 2007, 11:42 AM AndyG Reality to one side - naturally the Romantic in me... Jan 15 2007, 03:25 PM tedstryk Nix, I hope you don't mind my blatant rip-off ... Jan 15 2007, 05:57 PM Decepticon I'm confused, can someone point to the last kn... Jan 13 2007, 07:44 PM djellison If you look at this one..
http://hiroc.lpl.arizon... Jan 13 2007, 08:03 PM tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 13 2007, 08:03 PM)... Jan 13 2007, 08:47 PM dvandorn IIRC, the analysis of the Ares Vallis site and the... Jan 13 2007, 08:32 PM Phil Stooke Replying to dvandorn,
Another possibility is that... Jan 13 2007, 10:05 PM jumpjack I found a Sojourner route map:
http://mpfwww.jpl.n... Jan 14 2007, 05:55 PM jumpjack And here it is a full annotated panorama (from sam... Jan 14 2007, 05:57 PM jumpjack My 2 cents about possible final sojourner location... Jan 14 2007, 06:55 PM djellison Which bit do you think is sojourner?
Doug Jan 14 2007, 07:52 PM jumpjack QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 14 2007, 08:52 PM)... Jan 14 2007, 08:10 PM jumpjack BTW: why is the lander so bright? Shouldn't it... Jan 14 2007, 08:14 PM Phil Stooke Sorry, jumpjack, but Sojourner was much smaller t... Jan 14 2007, 08:21 PM jumpjack QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 14 2007, 09:21 P... Jan 14 2007, 08:39 PM jumpjack QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 14 2007, 09:21 P... Jan 14 2007, 08:44 PM djellison The overhead projections are from the Planetary Ph... Jan 14 2007, 08:42 PM jumpjack Mabye IR will solve this issue!
QUOTE The s... Jan 14 2007, 08:47 PM djellison That is a little missleading.
HiRISE is 10 x 20... Jan 14 2007, 08:52 PM djellison The rover was programmed to - after a while - bac... Jan 15 2007, 11:58 AM jumpjack QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2007, 12:58 PM)... Jan 15 2007, 12:59 PM djellison You jest - it would be suprising, but not beyond t... Jan 15 2007, 01:08 PM Nix No I don't mind at all, it's quite amusing... Jan 15 2007, 06:19 PM tedstryk QUOTE (Nix @ Jan 15 2007, 06:19 PM) No I... Jan 15 2007, 06:33 PM djellison I'm still wondering how you did those - superb... Jan 15 2007, 08:06 PM tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2007, 08:06 PM)... Jan 15 2007, 09:00 PM djellison Thanks for that The real pity is that they didn... Jan 15 2007, 09:06 PM tedstryk I don't think it ever got ANY color images of ... Jan 15 2007, 09:10 PM djellison Hmm - I'm sure I remember an image that showed... Jan 15 2007, 09:30 PM tedstryk I have seen that identified as the lander. Howeve... Jan 15 2007, 10:35 PM |
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