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Phil Stooke
post Oct 29 2006, 04:50 PM
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Presumably we will see a HIRISE image of the Pathfinder site at some point, so I am posting a polar view of the site here for comparison. I started with the Presidential Panorama. There was a slight mis-match between the ends of the pan - as if it had been slightly cropped for posting - which I can't fix, but it doesn't do too much damage to the polar view.

Phil

(PS - no, I can't really spare the time for this but you know how it is)

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post Jan 15 2007, 08:06 PM
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I'm still wondering how you did those - superb work, a data set that needed a proper 'going over' - and oh boy did you do that ohmy.gif

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QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2007, 08:06 PM) *
I'm still wondering how you did those - superb work, a data set that needed a proper 'going over' - and oh boy did you do that ohmy.gif

Doug


To tell it the short way, slowly.

To tell it the long way, the first part was figuring out how to put the puzzle together. The images were all transmitted in little subframe chunks, with the exception of four large images. Those four images all had areas that were horribly overexposed in some of the colors. Then I picked an image to use as my standard (after converting everything to 16 bit). I did my best to tweak the brightness and contrast of the other images until they matched. Also, in a few of the images, I had to correct for shadows moving between the framlets. In some of the very underexposed framelets, I had to do a lot of noise reduction, and I had to adjust the color to correct for the fact that there was an annoying "glow" in blue that skewed dark areas. Once this was done, I re-aligned the color channels. Most significantly, the green channel.

Doug, I think it was you who once asked about making red-blue images and chucking the green channel. This does not work well, because the CCD had far more green pixels than anything else, so the already really bad resolution gets worse. However, there was an annoying echo in the green channel, which had to be reconstructed for each image, and then subtracted. I greatly smoothed the color data, using photoshop's smart blur so as to blur together groups of pixels without bleeding occuring between the surface and pieces of the rover.

I wish I couldh have automated the process of cleaning and aligning the channels. However, nearly all the mosaics of framelets only cover a fraction of the CCD, and there is no information on the PDS cd to indicate where on the CCD each one is from. Since the severity and the direction of the distortion varies throughout the image, one had to manually assess the situation for each image.

One problem was the fact that the camera used some type of auto-stretching. So, if there was a glint off a piece of a rover in an image, the surrounding area would be nearly black. Then, in the next image, with no glint, it would be a nice, bright, well exposed image. With no guide to calibrate the rebalancing process, a lot of guesswork was required. Also, because the bright areas were totally saturated (most of the time), it required a lot of guesswork to reconstruct the greyscale to match other images. Often, pieces of the rover were washed out in some of the channels. That is why color varies in some of the images...a standard was really hard to find.

Soon, I hope to do the much easier task of working with the front camera images.


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- Phil Stooke   Pathfinder site   Oct 29 2006, 04:50 PM
- - djellison   That's a bit freaky, I was thinking "hmm ...   Oct 29 2006, 05:19 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 29 2006, 06:19 PM)...   Oct 29 2006, 08:51 PM
|- - Astrophil   Am I right in thinking that the current state of k...   Oct 29 2006, 09:21 PM
|- - tedstryk   I was 18 at the time of the Pathfinder mission. I...   Oct 29 2006, 11:39 PM
- - Sunspot   How much bigger is Pathfinder than one of the MER...   Oct 29 2006, 06:30 PM
- - djellison   The white grid on that image is 4m squares - and t...   Oct 29 2006, 06:54 PM
|- - tedstryk   I have posted it before, but this is a Sojourner p...   Oct 29 2006, 07:41 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Yes, except that I prefer this slight adjustment, ...   Oct 29 2006, 09:51 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 29 2006, 01:51 P...   Dec 7 2006, 01:57 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 6 2006, 03:57 PM) Inte...   Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 7 2006, 10:38 ...   Dec 7 2006, 06:41 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 7 2006, 08:41 AM) Thei...   Dec 7 2006, 07:09 PM
- - djellison   I was 18, got up early to watch some coverage on B...   Oct 30 2006, 08:13 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Well, I guess this is the next test, Pathfinder...   Dec 5 2006, 01:57 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 5 2006, 03:57 AM...   Dec 5 2006, 05:36 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 5 2006, 10:36 ...   Dec 5 2006, 07:10 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tuvas @ Dec 5 2006, 09:10 AM) You ...   Dec 5 2006, 07:11 PM
- - djellison   And they're all OVER the place Personally - ...   Dec 5 2006, 08:52 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Here's the comparison. I had not noticed thei...   Dec 7 2006, 07:14 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 7 2006, 09:14 AM...   Dec 7 2006, 07:33 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 7 2006, 11:33 ...   Dec 7 2006, 09:12 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 7 2006, 11:12 AM) The ...   Dec 7 2006, 09:18 PM
- - Sunspot   With Pathfinder being bigger than the rovers... i...   Dec 7 2006, 07:27 PM
- - tim53   Folks: Here's my last pre-HiRISE plot of the ...   Dec 9 2006, 12:00 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (tim53 @ Dec 9 2006, 12:00 AM) Folk...   Dec 9 2006, 12:44 AM
- - Sunspot   Whats this? Image processing artefacts a hair on ...   Dec 9 2006, 12:14 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 8 2006, 04:14 PM) Wh...   Dec 9 2006, 12:50 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I like that location, Tim. I have labelled a few ...   Dec 10 2006, 04:39 AM
- - Sunspot   Regarding the final position of Sojourner. The ro...   Dec 10 2006, 10:40 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 10 2006, 10:40 PM) R...   Dec 10 2006, 11:47 PM
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|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 10 2006, 02:02 PM) a...   Dec 11 2006, 08:17 PM
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- - MizarKey   My money is on the chipmunks having secured the so...   Dec 11 2006, 04:16 PM
- - PDP8E   Pathfinder Overhead shot is up on the HIRISE site ...   Jan 10 2007, 08:10 PM
- - djellison   Twin peaks is suprisingly a bit "hmm - where...   Jan 11 2007, 04:42 PM
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|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (tim53 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:05 AM) MSS...   Jan 11 2007, 11:23 PM
- - Toma B   Has anybody downloaded that full res .jp2 image of...   Jan 11 2007, 11:24 PM
|- - jamescanvin   See the old style page http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.ed...   Jan 11 2007, 11:52 PM
|- - elakdawalla   B)-->QUOTE(Toma B @ Jan 11 2007, 03:24 PM...   Jan 12 2007, 01:53 AM
- - Sunspot   Why don't the solar panels show up at all? To...   Jan 11 2007, 11:37 PM
- - djellison   Not full res by the way....I downsized it about 50...   Jan 12 2007, 12:01 AM
- - djellison   Best thing I could find to overlay it one of these...   Jan 12 2007, 12:03 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 11 2007, 04:03 PM)...   Jan 12 2007, 04:09 PM
- - Myran   Thank you PDP8E. And now lets see for those two ...   Jan 12 2007, 12:04 AM
- - jamescanvin   Comparing the jpgs released by NASA with the jp2 f...   Jan 12 2007, 12:18 AM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jan 11 2007, 05:18 P...   Jan 12 2007, 05:40 AM
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|- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 11 2007, 04:49 PM)...   Jan 12 2007, 02:06 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 11 2007, 06:06 PM) Act...   Jan 12 2007, 05:10 AM
|- - Chmee   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 11 2007, 09:06 PM) Pur...   Jan 13 2007, 02:16 PM
- - tim53   I don't know if it's common knowledge yet,...   Jan 12 2007, 01:38 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   Now that we see the location of the backshell, chu...   Jan 12 2007, 02:57 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jan 12 2007, 02:57 A...   Jan 12 2007, 08:50 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 12 2007, 12:50 AM)...   Jan 12 2007, 04:46 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Tim, given that we now know the precise location o...   Jan 12 2007, 01:47 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 11 2007, 05:47...   Jan 12 2007, 05:01 AM
- - jamescanvin   jpg on the left, jp2 on the right. That's wha...   Jan 12 2007, 05:58 AM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jan 11 2007, 10:58 P...   Jan 12 2007, 05:50 PM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (tuvas @ Jan 13 2007, 04:50 AM) I c...   Jan 14 2007, 09:56 PM
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- - djellison   No - there really is a big bit of airbag material ...   Jan 13 2007, 03:28 PM
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|- - edstrick   ".. Power went from the RTG to the battery to...   Jan 15 2007, 11:42 AM
|- - AndyG   Reality to one side - naturally the Romantic in me...   Jan 15 2007, 03:25 PM
|- - tedstryk   Nix, I hope you don't mind my blatant rip-off ...   Jan 15 2007, 05:57 PM
- - Decepticon   I'm confused, can someone point to the last kn...   Jan 13 2007, 07:44 PM
- - djellison   If you look at this one.. http://hiroc.lpl.arizon...   Jan 13 2007, 08:03 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 13 2007, 08:03 PM)...   Jan 13 2007, 08:47 PM
- - dvandorn   IIRC, the analysis of the Ares Vallis site and the...   Jan 13 2007, 08:32 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Replying to dvandorn, Another possibility is that...   Jan 13 2007, 10:05 PM
- - jumpjack   I found a Sojourner route map: http://mpfwww.jpl.n...   Jan 14 2007, 05:55 PM
- - jumpjack   And here it is a full annotated panorama (from sam...   Jan 14 2007, 05:57 PM
- - jumpjack   My 2 cents about possible final sojourner location...   Jan 14 2007, 06:55 PM
- - djellison   Which bit do you think is sojourner? Doug   Jan 14 2007, 07:52 PM
|- - jumpjack   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 14 2007, 08:52 PM)...   Jan 14 2007, 08:10 PM
- - jumpjack   BTW: why is the lander so bright? Shouldn't it...   Jan 14 2007, 08:14 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Sorry, jumpjack, but Sojourner was much smaller t...   Jan 14 2007, 08:21 PM
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|- - jumpjack   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2007, 12:58 PM)...   Jan 15 2007, 12:59 PM
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- - Nix   No I don't mind at all, it's quite amusing...   Jan 15 2007, 06:19 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Nix @ Jan 15 2007, 06:19 PM) No I...   Jan 15 2007, 06:33 PM
- - djellison   I'm still wondering how you did those - superb...   Jan 15 2007, 08:06 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2007, 08:06 PM)...   Jan 15 2007, 09:00 PM
- - djellison   Thanks for that The real pity is that they didn...   Jan 15 2007, 09:06 PM
|- - tedstryk   I don't think it ever got ANY color images of ...   Jan 15 2007, 09:10 PM
- - djellison   Hmm - I'm sure I remember an image that showed...   Jan 15 2007, 09:30 PM
- - tedstryk   I have seen that identified as the lander. Howeve...   Jan 15 2007, 10:35 PM
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