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Death of a Spacecraft: The Unknown Fate of Cassini, Decision on Cassini's fate
Rakhir
post Nov 8 2006, 12:23 PM
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Death of a Spacecraft: The Unknown Fate of Cassini
http://space.com/businesstechnology/061108_cassini_fate.html

I like the Cassini Mercury crash option, even if unlikely.

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stellarlight
post Nov 13 2006, 04:24 PM
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Some questions:

Although it seems fascinating to send Cassini to Jupiter or Mercury, I have some doubts...

1.- How long will last the Cassini RTGs? If they are going to last 10 years more, I can not understand why NASA is planning to end this mission if they can stay at Saturn some years... Moreover, id the energy from the RTGs will be very low after 2010, is it really useful to send the spacecraft to Jupiter or another place? There´s a lot of things more to do at Saturn...

2.- Could NASA use Cassini as a Titan or Enceladus orbiter?

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post Nov 13 2006, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (stellarlight @ Nov 13 2006, 08:24 AM) *
Some questions:

Although it seems fascinating to send Cassini to Jupiter or Mercury, I have some doubts...

1.- How long will last the Cassini RTGs? If they are going to last 10 years more, I can not understand why NASA is planning to end this mission if they can stay at Saturn some years... Moreover, id the energy from the RTGs will be very low after 2010, is it really useful to send the spacecraft to Jupiter or another place? There´s a lot of things more to do at Saturn...

2.- Could NASA use Cassini as a Titan or Enceladus orbiter?

Thanks.


In every machine that will eventually fail, there is going to be one critical part that fails first. With Cassini, it will be when it runs out of attitude-stabilizing fuel. Of course, the team can indefinitely extend that lifespan by limiting manuevers, but a spacecraft that is "alive" but cannot be manuevered isn't worth much. Theoretically, Cassini could be left in place for a very long time without making ANY manuevers and then finish its mission in the far future by making its final manuevers then. But there isn't any apparent great reason to do that... at Saturn, anyway.

The RTGs will not be an issue for Cassini. In just about any conceivable future, it will run out of attitude control before the RTGs grow weak.

Given that they want to control the final fate of the craft, they will have some sort of endgame. That will have to begin before the reserve of attitude control fuel is quite zero. Some of these elaborate endgames involve using the small margin that may be left over for one last set of observations.

I think the problem with the Saturn-ejection scenarios is that they would take so many manuevers to MAKE them happen that the fuel budget would be blown. Jason relays that they are effectively impossible, so I'll accept that... with chagrin (goodbye, Uranus encounter).

Titan/Enceladus orbit would also require way more fuel than Cassini has left. The use of the radio dish to aerobrake Cassini through Titan's upper atmosphere has been discussed and dismissed: it's just not engineered for that.

I think what we're looking at is an extended mission equal to about 50-75% the duration of the primary mission with lots of focus on Titan and some on Enceladus, some fortuitous flybys of the other icy moons, but none of Iapetus. A nice endgame might be to have the craft crash into Saturn with the HGA pointed at Earth the whole time, so that some close-up science at the rings and Saturn can be broadcast in real time as the final minutes tick off.
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post Nov 14 2006, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 13 2006, 05:36 PM) *
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I think what we're looking at is an extended mission equal to about 50-75% the duration of the primary mission
with lots of focus on Titan and some on Enceladus,
some fortuitous flybys of the other icy moons, but none of Iapetus.
A nice endgame might be to have the craft crash into Saturn with the HGA pointed at Earth the whole time,
so that some close-up science at the rings and Saturn can be broadcast in real time as the final minutes tick off.

Sad to read that Iapetus will obviously not be observed closely during the extended mission
as the orbit of CASSINI will not go much farther out than Titan's.

I don't know exactly which regions of Iapetus will be imaged in next year's close encounter,
the following image shows some frames - but they're probably not up to date...
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I guess there are regions that won't be observed at all then, whether they're in shadow,
not in the right position for 1000 km passing CASSINI or not visible at all.

Wouldn't it be senseful to put CASSINI - after the extended mission - on a longer elongated orbit passing Iapetus outbound
over its anti-saturn hemisphere showing Roncevaux Terra between the 'Snowman' and the 'White Mountains' a few times?
I don't know how manageable this scenario concerning CASSINI's fuel resources is,
but it sounds far not so weird like some ideas discussed here - like going to Chiron, a KBO, Uranus, Jupiter or even Mercury (!).

Bye.
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- Rakhir   Death of a Spacecraft: The Unknown Fate of Cassini   Nov 8 2006, 12:23 PM
- - ugordan   Yikes Rakhir, you should choose topic titles more ...   Nov 8 2006, 12:42 PM
|- - Rakhir   QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 8 2006, 03:42 PM) Yi...   Nov 8 2006, 01:05 PM
|- - jsheff   QUOTE (Rakhir @ Nov 8 2006, 08:05 AM) Ind...   Nov 8 2006, 07:04 PM
|- - ugordan   You're not suggesting MGS is dead, are you?   Nov 8 2006, 07:21 PM
|- - jsheff   QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 8 2006, 02:21 PM) Yo...   Nov 8 2006, 07:46 PM
|- - ugordan   I wouldn't write MGS off just yet. This is ...   Nov 8 2006, 07:52 PM
- - jsheff   QUOTE (Rakhir @ Nov 8 2006, 07:23 AM) Dea...   Nov 8 2006, 07:34 PM
- - Mariner9   It's been a long time since I got that A+ in O...   Nov 8 2006, 09:47 PM
- - Big_Gazza   Does anyone seriously consider the possibility of ...   Nov 9 2006, 12:07 AM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (Big_Gazza @ Nov 9 2006, 11:07 AM) ...   Nov 9 2006, 01:55 AM
||- - ugordan   Since Huygens wasn't sterilized, I can't s...   Nov 9 2006, 08:01 AM
||- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 9 2006, 03:01 AM) Si...   Nov 9 2006, 02:47 PM
||- - ugordan   Huygens had 35 approximately 1 Watt radioisotope h...   Nov 9 2006, 03:04 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Big_Gazza @ Nov 8 2006, 04:07 PM) ...   Nov 9 2006, 03:45 PM
- - tasp   Let's go to Chiron!   Nov 9 2006, 03:03 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 9 2006, 10:03 AM) Let...   Nov 9 2006, 07:09 PM
- - Ant103   Maybe it's unprobable but, they can put Cassin...   Nov 10 2006, 10:41 AM
- - djellison   No......it can use gravity assists to try and get ...   Nov 10 2006, 12:38 PM
|- - ugordan   What I'd like to know is how plausible these S...   Nov 10 2006, 12:50 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 10 2006, 05:50 AM) W...   Nov 10 2006, 03:46 PM
- - nprev   Gotta admit, I like the Saturn system escape optio...   Nov 10 2006, 03:04 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 10 2006, 03:04 PM) Got...   Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 10 2006, 07:04 AM) Got...   Nov 10 2006, 05:47 PM
- - nprev   ...okay, well that's that, then. I'll be l...   Nov 10 2006, 03:51 PM
- - nprev   Actually, I agree, Bjorn. However, wasn't ther...   Nov 10 2006, 04:32 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 10 2006, 05:32 PM) Wou...   Nov 10 2006, 04:46 PM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 11 2006, 03:32 AM) Wou...   Nov 15 2006, 01:26 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 14 2006, 05:26 PM) W...   Nov 15 2006, 01:42 AM
- - Sunspot   I sure i remember Cassini manager Bob Mitchell tal...   Nov 10 2006, 04:42 PM
- - nprev   Thanks, UG...I understand the situation much bette...   Nov 10 2006, 05:02 PM
- - Myran   I am afraid that volcanopele most likely are right...   Nov 10 2006, 07:34 PM
- - Greg Hullender   I've been impressed by Martin Lo's work on...   Nov 10 2006, 10:00 PM
|- - tedstryk   I think a big difference between Galileo and Cassi...   Nov 10 2006, 10:10 PM
|- - ugordan   Yeah, but Cassini needs to turn the HGA to Earth f...   Nov 10 2006, 10:25 PM
- - stellarlight   Some questions: Although it seems fascinating to ...   Nov 13 2006, 04:24 PM
|- - ugordan   1. The RTGs should last for a while. Radioisotopes...   Nov 13 2006, 04:33 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (stellarlight @ Nov 13 2006, 08:24 ...   Nov 13 2006, 04:36 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 13 2006, 11:36 AM) ...   Nov 13 2006, 06:02 PM
||- - ugordan   Just to give an example of just how hard it is to ...   Nov 13 2006, 06:53 PM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 13 2006, 08:36 AM) ...   Nov 14 2006, 10:41 AM
|- - TritonAntares   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 13 2006, 05:36 PM) ...   Nov 14 2006, 11:50 PM
- - djellison   You need the Encounter MFD http://www.orbitermar...   Nov 13 2006, 08:32 PM
|- - ugordan   Hm... and I thought TransX was the advanced one ou...   Nov 13 2006, 08:36 PM
- - djellison   Trans X is all a bit complicated for me - the Enco...   Nov 13 2006, 08:39 PM
|- - ugordan   Yes, it's complicated and has a convoluted int...   Nov 13 2006, 08:47 PM
- - nprev   Sounds interesting to me too, TritonAntares. Speak...   Nov 15 2006, 12:14 AM
- - rogelio   Why dispose of Cassini as if it were some embarras...   Nov 15 2006, 12:59 AM
|- - Rakhir   QUOTE (rogelio @ Nov 15 2006, 03:59 AM) W...   Nov 15 2006, 08:51 AM
- - nprev   I appreciate your sentiments, but I'm actually...   Nov 15 2006, 01:34 AM
- - edstrick   Something I don't know but would like to... If...   Nov 15 2006, 10:16 AM
- - djellison   If one is truely worried about contaminating Enc o...   Nov 15 2006, 10:28 AM
- - Big_Gazza   QUOTE (Rakhir @ Nov 15 2006, 07:51 PM) RT...   Nov 15 2006, 10:53 AM
|- - ugordan   Not to mention the impact speed at Enceladus would...   Nov 15 2006, 11:41 AM
|- - Rakhir   QUOTE (Big_Gazza @ Nov 15 2006, 01:53 PM)...   Nov 15 2006, 11:51 AM
- - dvandorn   I will point out that the Apollo 13 situation isn...   Nov 16 2006, 03:23 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 15 2006, 07:23 PM) ...   Nov 16 2006, 04:15 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Nov 16 2006, 04:1...   Nov 16 2006, 12:37 PM
|- - Rakhir   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Nov 16 2006, 07:1...   Nov 16 2006, 01:55 PM
|- - dilo   Only now I realized that, if they smash Cassini on...   Nov 19 2006, 05:38 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Rakhir @ Nov 16 2006, 08:55 AM) Ju...   Nov 20 2006, 04:20 PM
- - nprev   Hmm...Maybe the answer is a highly elliptical orbi...   Nov 16 2006, 03:41 AM


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