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New Phobos Names
volcanopele
post Dec 5 2006, 08:48 PM
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There are a few new names for use on Phobos. These include Grildrig (Corona?) and the craters Clustril, Drunlo, Flimnap, Gulliver, Limtoc, Reldresal, and Skyresh.

Any chance of a map with these names? biggrin.gif


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post Jan 25 2007, 07:12 PM
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The map showing these names should be available within a few days. It has taken some effort to obtain.

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post Jan 25 2007, 07:46 PM
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Those names sound Tolkienesque.


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post Jan 25 2007, 08:11 PM
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I was the author of an alternate nomenculatural scheme for both Phobos and Deimos, derived from the Iliad and other classical sources, but the IAU rejected it.

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post Jan 25 2007, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jan 25 2007, 07:46 PM) *
Those names sound Tolkienesque.



They sound like naasmarg to me!


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post Jan 25 2007, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 5 2006, 12:48 PM) *
Any chance of a map with these names? biggrin.gif

http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/images/Phobos_comp.pdf

Seems a little odd that these names (which are all from GULLIVER'S TRAVELS) are on Phobos when Swift is on Deimos. But the Illiad would have been more appropriate on one of the Saturnian satellites (The Odyssey is being used on Tethys.)


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post Jan 26 2007, 05:22 PM
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Ah, the Moons of Mars… in Greek mythology, Phobos and Deimos were the horses pulling the chariot of Mars, the god of war. The Romans called Phobos “Pavor” and Deimos “Pallor” in their god worship.
Two years ago I wrote, with the help of Philip Stooke and Ralp Turner,
an article on mapping the Martian moons.
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post Jan 26 2007, 07:27 PM
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Phobos and Deimos are referred to in the Iliad, hence the connection. The real problem was that the Working Group didn't like the military association. A member, supporting me, tried to sell the Iliad as a love story, but they didn't buy it.

This map Mike linked to was the one we were waiting for. Neukum only gave permission yesterday.

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post Jan 26 2007, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 26 2007, 09:27 AM) *
A member, supporting me, tried to sell the Iliad as a love story, but they didn't buy it.

That's like trying to sell Lolita as a children's story biggrin.gif
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post Jan 26 2007, 08:19 PM
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Well, it starts out as a love story. The rest is just filler.

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post Jan 26 2007, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 26 2007, 08:19 PM) *
Well, it starts out as a love story. The rest is just filler.

Phil



Phil:

I *hope* that's not Lolita you're describing!

On a more, er, heavenly note: are the Phobos names based on MEX observations of new features?

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post Jan 27 2007, 12:26 AM
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The denizens of the flying island of Laputa in Gulliver's Travels had discovered two moons of mars... and Gulliver was published well before the satellites were actually discovered. So, neat.

However, Laputa was left out as a place name perhaps because it means "The Whore" in Spanish. Too bad.
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post Jan 27 2007, 10:22 AM
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Indeed;
Remarkably, the idea that the planet Mars might have two satellites was also introduced in the books " Gulliver's Travels " by Jonathan Swift (1726), " Die Geschwinde Reise auf dem Luft-Schiff nach Obern Welt " by Eberhard Kindermann (1744) and " Micromégas " by Voltaire (1750).

Earlier, Johannes Kepler, believer in the harmonic numerology of the solar system,made the assumption of 2 moons for Mars and 4 moons for Jupiter.

Thanks Bob for sharing that remarkable photo!
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post Jan 27 2007, 02:38 PM
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The image bases are from Mars Express, but the craters were known before from Viking (and in some cases even Mariner 9). None of them were discovered in Mars Express images.

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post Feb 28 2008, 11:52 PM
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Here is a constant-scale natural boundary map of Phobos; primary ridges are the map edge. A poster by Pam Clark, Phil Stooke and me to be presented at lpi week after next. this one doesn't fold to a very good likeness because it is a very compact map. I'll post another in a minute with extensive ridge boundary, which, I say with confidence although
I haven't had a chance to fold it up yet, will fold to a good likeness of Phobos.
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