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post Dec 6 2006, 02:05 PM
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Looking at the images of the Spirit/Opportunity landing site, it seems many of the features such as tracks and rocket blast markings have faded considerably often to the point of being invisible in the nearly three years since landing.

This had me thinking about the MGS images taken in the hope of finding MPL. Initially it was reported that MGS had spotted the lander, one image had a white spot/streak interpreted as the parachute and a dark patch with a spot in the centre not too far off, taken to be the blast zone of the rockets with the lander in the centre.

However another image taken 5 years later seemed to discount this theory - the features had faded or changed significantly. BUT, seeing how much the rover sites have changed in an even shorter time, wouldn't the same happen to the MPL site in 5 years - perhaps to an even greater degree with the more extreme seasonal changes at that location. Also, the latest HiRISE images show just how difficult it has been to spot the landers on the surface with MGS, the Viking sites in particular.

I hope HiRISE takes another look at this spot.

Mars Polar Lander NOT Found, MSSS article:
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/17/
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- Sunspot   HiRISE and Mars Polar Lander   Dec 6 2006, 02:05 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Digging up this thread. The Sun has returned to th...   Dec 13 2007, 09:59 AM
- - elakdawalla   I think it's a good idea to collect links to H...   Dec 13 2007, 04:55 PM
|- - slinted   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 13 2007, 08:55 A...   Dec 13 2007, 11:52 PM
- - Charles   I am wondering if the MPL (Mars Polar Lander) did ...   Feb 7 2008, 08:29 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Help them find Mars Polar Lander! article wri...   May 11 2008, 09:24 AM
- - Sunspot   I do find it odd that absolutely no trace of Mars ...   May 12 2008, 10:45 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Sunspot @ May 12 2008, 12:45 PM) I...   May 12 2008, 11:02 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Yesss... but we knew where those sites were! ...   May 12 2008, 11:01 AM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 12 2008, 12:01 P...   May 12 2008, 12:08 PM
- - djellison   It's parachute would.   May 12 2008, 11:14 AM
- - Zvezdichko   Also, if you are unable to view the big jp2 images...   May 12 2008, 12:57 PM
- - Phil Stooke   It's only easy if you know what you're loo...   May 12 2008, 01:23 PM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 12 2008, 02:23 P...   May 12 2008, 04:54 PM
- - Phil Stooke   That's true! But we don't know that...   May 12 2008, 07:19 PM
|- - ugordan   Sigh, I think looking for this thing is an exercis...   May 12 2008, 08:22 PM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 12 2008, 03:22 PM) S...   May 12 2008, 08:47 PM
- - nprev   I like C! I dunno, man, just don't kno...   May 13 2008, 01:36 AM
|- - ugordan   Neglecting the feasibility of actually acquiring t...   May 13 2008, 11:08 AM
|- - tedstryk   I am choosing to ignore this thread until Phoenix ...   May 13 2008, 12:48 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 13 2008, 04:48 AM) ...   May 13 2008, 08:34 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (tim53 @ May 13 2008, 10:34 PM) Hi ...   May 13 2008, 08:39 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (tim53 @ May 13 2008, 01:34 PM) I h...   May 13 2008, 09:05 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 13 2008, 01:05 P...   May 13 2008, 10:04 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (tim53 @ May 14 2008, 12:04 AM) The...   May 15 2008, 08:36 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 15 2008, 12:36 PM) A...   May 15 2008, 09:22 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   I found a candidate site for the lander. Currentl...   May 13 2008, 08:35 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 13 2008, 10...   May 13 2008, 09:05 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   I finally have a real close-up view of my feature....   May 13 2008, 09:17 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 13 2008, 11...   May 13 2008, 09:28 PM
||- - MarsIsImportant   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 13 2008, 03:28 PM) S...   May 13 2008, 09:52 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 13 2008, 11...   May 13 2008, 10:05 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 13 2008, 01...   May 13 2008, 10:07 PM
- - djellison   Remember, the MPL lander dropped away from the bac...   May 13 2008, 09:20 PM
- - djellison   Oh - I agree with that point, we don't know if...   May 13 2008, 09:39 PM
- - Sunspot   Some areas of the landing site look VERY dangerous...   May 13 2008, 09:44 PM
- - elakdawalla   Anybody else suddenly having problems with the HiR...   May 13 2008, 10:45 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 14 2008, 12:45 A...   May 13 2008, 10:50 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Here context for the feature I showed. (I had a...   May 13 2008, 10:48 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 13 2008, 02...   May 13 2008, 11:06 PM
- - elakdawalla   Yay, the website seems to be back up. --Emily   May 13 2008, 11:10 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Sorry, but the illumination is not from lower righ...   May 13 2008, 11:18 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 13 2008, 03...   May 13 2008, 11:38 PM
- - elakdawalla   MarsIsImportant, I was also completely confused ab...   May 14 2008, 04:36 AM
- - MarsEngineer   Hi friends (and Hi Tim ... we have to stop meeting...   May 14 2008, 05:05 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (MarsEngineer @ May 14 2008, 07:05 ...   May 14 2008, 07:52 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Emily, The azimuth on the label Tim pointed out f...   May 14 2008, 05:23 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   I've been taking a look around that same JP2 i...   May 14 2008, 06:23 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Something is not right with this image projection....   May 14 2008, 06:56 AM
- - djellison   I've tidied this thread up a little - MIP, ple...   May 14 2008, 07:51 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (djellison @ May 14 2008, 09:51 AM)...   May 14 2008, 11:23 AM
|- - ugordan   Tim53 said in a earlier post there's another o...   May 14 2008, 11:46 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 14 2008, 01:46 PM) T...   May 14 2008, 12:26 PM
|- - ugordan   I might be wrong about this, but if you're thi...   May 14 2008, 12:38 PM
- - Phil Stooke   MIP: "Something is not right with this image ...   May 14 2008, 10:40 AM
|- - ugordan   Furthermore, if the dataset in question is non-map...   May 14 2008, 10:59 AM
- - nprev   Argh. As Gordan said earlier, "so many unknow...   May 14 2008, 12:31 PM
- - climber   Yes, I concur. Ablative material (sort of "co...   May 14 2008, 01:49 PM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (climber @ May 14 2008, 05:49 AM) Y...   May 14 2008, 02:18 PM
- - hendric   What kind of effect would the downed lander have o...   May 14 2008, 03:08 PM
- - remcook   A friend of mine went to Greenland a while back an...   May 14 2008, 04:19 PM
- - MarsEngineer   Hi Climber, You are correct. There was and contin...   May 14 2008, 05:21 PM
- - hendric   Remcook, Yes, that's exactly what I'm th...   May 14 2008, 05:59 PM
- - Juramike   Wow. I give up. I see nothing in that image even...   May 16 2008, 12:05 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 15 2008, 04:05 PM) ...   May 16 2008, 12:26 AM
||- - Juramike   QUOTE (tim53 @ May 15 2008, 07:26 PM) I...   May 16 2008, 01:02 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 15 2008, 04:05 PM) ...   May 16 2008, 05:32 PM
- - remcook   I'm glad I'm not in charge of these kinds ...   May 16 2008, 08:48 AM
- - Juramike   (Has anyone else noticed that the deposit structur...   May 16 2008, 03:13 PM
- - elakdawalla   Well, it took me way too long to do this, but I ha...   May 16 2008, 09:05 PM
|- - Reed   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 16 2008, 01:05 P...   May 17 2008, 08:38 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Reed @ May 17 2008, 09:38 PM) You ...   May 17 2008, 08:42 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Just a quick one... probably nothing, of course. ...   May 17 2008, 12:45 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 16 2008, 04:45 P...   May 17 2008, 05:04 AM
- - Phil Stooke   So perhaps we should call this place 'The Bone...   May 17 2008, 01:28 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 17 2008, 03:28 P...   May 17 2008, 04:39 PM
- - djellison   That'll be much MUCH easier with the triangula...   May 17 2008, 04:44 PM
|- - ugordan   How accurate is that, anyway?   May 17 2008, 05:24 PM
- - djellison   http://www.msss.com/mer_mission/finding_mer/ - an...   May 17 2008, 05:33 PM
|- - ugordan   That's pretty cool, I didn't know the orbi...   May 17 2008, 06:52 PM
- - jamescanvin   This caught my eye, back-shell top-left, parachute...   May 17 2008, 07:58 PM
- - djellison   Yeah, more like 10m, not 80. That looks like what...   May 17 2008, 08:05 PM
- - jamescanvin   Yeah thought so, the MPL landing ellipse seems to ...   May 17 2008, 08:32 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ May 17 2008, 04:32 P...   May 17 2008, 08:50 PM
- - djellison   That nature can play tricks on people. When you...   May 17 2008, 09:05 PM
- - Sunspot   Having looked at parts of the landing site with Hi...   May 18 2008, 09:18 AM
|- - ugordan   I've now gone through all the images, all of t...   May 18 2008, 10:48 AM
|- - tim53   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 18 2008, 02:48 AM) H...   May 18 2008, 03:32 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Gordan: Check up this: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mg...   May 18 2008, 03:26 PM
- - climber   What about if the chute deployed and failed in pie...   May 18 2008, 03:49 PM
- - djellison   Even a shreded chute like those Boise MER tests wo...   May 18 2008, 03:58 PM
|- - ugordan   Thanks, Zvezdichko and Tim for the pointers. Just ...   May 18 2008, 05:14 PM
|- - Reed   QUOTE (djellison @ May 18 2008, 07:58 AM)...   May 18 2008, 10:41 PM
- - elakdawalla   Someone wrote to correct Rob Manning's math in...   May 19 2008, 10:14 PM
- - nprev   Well...dusting off my brain here, I'd say that...   May 19 2008, 10:30 PM
- - Mike Dorward   Attached is a 2X HiRISE image showing the Polar La...   Jun 1 2008, 06:16 PM
- - nprev   Sorry...not seeing it. Pretty sweeping claim, and ...   Jun 1 2008, 06:23 PM
- - djellison   All looks totally natural to me.   Jun 1 2008, 06:24 PM
|- - ugordan   This one is probably completely natural as well, b...   Jun 1 2008, 06:37 PM
- - nprev   Cool...but I think we're getting into some dee...   Jun 1 2008, 06:53 PM
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