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A Clathrate Reservoir Hypothesis for Enceladus' South Polar Plume |
Mar 2 2007, 10:17 AM
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If anyone's around Oxford in two weeks time...
ASTOR LECTURE IN PLANETARY SCIENCE 'Exploring the Outer Planets: Extending the Boundaries of the Habitable Zone' to be given by Professor Andrew P. Ingersoll Earle C. Anthony Professor of Planetary Science, California Institute of Technology Martin Wood Lecture Theatre, Clarendon Laboratory 4.30 p.m. Friday, 16 March 2007 Abstract: The words "habitable zone" used to mean a band around the sun at the Earth's orbital distance, where water exists as liquid. New observations force us to re-define this zone as an archipelago that includes many of the icy moons of the outer solar system. The latest entry is Enceladus, a small satellite of Saturn. Observations by the Cassini spacecraft reveal a surprising amount of activity on this small object - a geologically young surface, warm fissures that emit plumes of water vapour and water ice particles, and organic molecules coating the surface around the vents. The talk will cover the observations, the attempts of scientists to infer the conditions below the vents, and the possibility of sub-surface life. This lecture is open to members of the University and the general public. |
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Mar 3 2007, 04:05 PM
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...if liquid was flowing on Enceladus in any significant amount, I'd have to think we'd see fluid flow features on the surface. The 6 GW of heat radiating from the tiger stripes might be provided by a total fluid flow rate (for all tributaries flowing toward the tiger stripes) of as little as 0.4 m^3 per second. Knowing neither the chemical system carrying the energy nor the particular energy density of the system, of course, the best we can do is look around for some representative values. The 0.4 m^3 s^-1 is for a system of liquid ozone and liquid propane. If they could be made to react completely to form H2O and CO2, 0.2 m^3 of propane and 0.2 m^3 of ozone would produce roughtly 6 GW. I am not suggesting the system of ozone and propane to be a candidate to run this process on Enceladus, but it serves as a real example of energy density. A second example might be the decomposition of ozone to O2. If this decomposition were to proceed so that all O3 was converted to O2, a fluid flow rate of 1 m^3 s^-1 would provide the needed 6 GW. Naturally, systems with less energy density would require proportionally greater fluid flow rates. If all the tiger stripes are hot, then the total fluid flow would have to be divided up into at least four branches. Thus, even if the total flow is 10 m^3 s^-1, there would still be only 2-3 m^3 s^-1 in each. Furthermore, these flows are not necessarily in wide, shallow, easily observable flow channels, but more probably, in my view, in the bottoms of cracks or valleys. Therefore, I suggest that the likely flow rate combined with the fact that the flows might be confined into narrow channels is not inconsistent with the lack of identifiable flow features in existing images of the surface of Enceladus. martin |
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Mar 5 2007, 12:48 PM
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Several days ago I proposed a cold-interior, solar model to explain why the tiger stripes of Enceladus are hot. One component of that process was for a liquid to condense on the surface and flow to the tiger stripes. It was, however, overly restrictive of me to require a flowing liquid. What the model requires is that material move (by any process) toward the tiger stripes. Glacier-like flow of an 'ice-field,' would suffice, if the total chemical energy passing any arbitrary point amounted to 6 gigajoules per sec. The cross-section of the moving mass would have to be appropriately large, and the slower it moved, the larger the cross-section would have to be. If there were to be a material on Enceladus containing 1 gigajoule per m^-3 (chemical potential energy), then the total flow volume would have to be 6 m^3 s^-1. In that case, average flow velocities of 10, 1, 0.1 mm/s would require cross-sections of 600, 6000, and 60,000 m^2, respectively. Needless to say, nothing about this model prevents there being a combination of glacier-like (nearer to 55 deg S, for example) and stream-like (nearer to the tiger stripes, for example) flows.
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Mar 12 2007, 03:14 PM
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Press release: A Hot Start Might Explain Geysers on Enceladus.
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Mar 13 2007, 12:12 AM
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Hmmm. This "hot start" theory is almost certainly going to be tied in with the notion that Iapetus had a lot of Al-26 at the outset.
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Mar 20 2007, 11:58 AM
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Another enceladus modelling paper in press at Icarus:
Tidal Heating in Enceladus • SHORT COMMUNICATION In Press, Accepted Manuscript, Available online 19 March 2007, Jennifer Meyer and Jack Wisdom the abstract is short and clear: "The heating in Enceladus in an equilibrium resonant configuration with other Saturnian satellites can be estimated independently of the physical properties of Enceladus. We find that equilibrium tidal heating cannot account for the heat that is observed to be coming from Enceladus. Equilibrium heating in possible past resonances likewise cannot explain prior resurfacing events." |
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Apr 5 2007, 02:29 AM
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Emily Lakdawalla posted a TPS piece a while back that was most comprehensive http://www.planetary.org/news/2007/0322_Ch...est_a_Soup.html This weeks (04/01/07) TPS Radio piece elaborates on the South Polar Sea piece with an interview of one of the authors: http://www.planetary.org/radio/show/00000230/ This all reminds me of ..... Jules Verne..... ahhhhhhhhhhhh the Central Sea, the Saknussemn Sea... http://jv.gilead.org.il/vt/c_earth/27.html Craig |
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May 4 2007, 08:53 PM
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A couple of new entries in the Enceladus-related literature, courtesy of Geophysical Research Letters:
Juhász, Antal; Horányi, Mihály; Morfill, Gregor E. Signatures of Enceladus in Saturn's E ring Geophys. Res. Lett., Vol. 34, No. 9, L09104 10.1029/2006GL029120 05 May 2007 Abstract The second paper will be published online in GRL, I believe, on Monday, May 7, 2007. Here's the title and abstract: Convection in Enceladus' ice shell: Conditions for initiation By Amy C. Barr and William B. McKinnon
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