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Dec 26 2006, 10:17 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Here's a Christmas present for us all...a 0.7 km NEO may make a 4200 km altitude Earth flyby on Halloween, 2041: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2006xg1.html
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Dec 27 2006, 01:54 AM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Yeah, I'm sure that will be the case. I noticed that the NASA NEO site already had 76 observations logged between 11-22 Dec; it must be very favorably placed, so we should see it drop off the radar screen after the holidays.
Good thing, too. 1900 megatons of impact energy could be a bit unpleasant. With that in mind, does anybody think that we should get serious about devising a way to deflect these things, if it's ever needed? I like the idea of "docking" a DS1-style propulsion system to a threatening rock & steering it clear...or, ideally, steering it slowly into an exploitable orbit for future mining! And on a somewhat related topic, is there anything at all we could do about an imminent long-period comet impact? I can't think of a single countermeasure. (Okay, I confess...I rented the classic When Worlds Collide two days ago, and it's been bugging me ever since... -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Dec 27 2006, 06:23 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 688 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Sweden Member No.: 273 |
And on a somewhat related topic, is there anything at all we could do about an imminent long-period comet impact? I can't think of a single countermeasure. (Okay, I confess...I rented the classic When Worlds Collide two days ago, and it's been bugging me ever since... I agree that the "gravitational tug" concept is the most promising when there is plenty of time to deflect an object. In the cometary case where only months may be available an Orion-style deflection using nuclear charges is probably the only remotely feasible method. tty |
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Dec 27 2006, 07:22 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
I agree that the "gravitational tug" concept is the most promising when there is plenty of time to deflect an object. In the cometary case where only months may be available an Orion-style deflection using nuclear charges is probably the only remotely feasible method. tty ...and even then we'd probably have to try to severely fracture the nucleus al a Lucifer's Hammer in order to disperse the terminal impact energy. However, the Stardust results are kind of scary in this respect: at least some comets may be pretty mechanically solid instead of just big snowballs as we've assumed for many years... On the lighter side, per the NASA NEO site 2006XG1 now has 99 observations under its belt, miss distance is now 0.72 Earth radii, the Palermo rating has decreased (good) as well as the estimated impact energy, and the sigma LOV now indicates much less certainty re the close-encounter trajectory: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2006xg1.html -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Dec 27 2006, 08:18 PM
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I wonder if a good long-term defense would be to try to give the Earth some Phobos-class satellites diverted into elliptical orbits from the asteroid belt. Then stop an incoming impactor by moving the blocker into the way. The advantage is that you wouldn't have to launch any "solutions" out into solar orbit all of a sudden as the threat arose. Disadvantages abound, of course, including debris from the pre-collision and the threat of just plain missing.
The "push" strategies for dealing with a short-period threat, of course, leave the menace there to eventually swing back towards Earth after decades or centuries. A strategy for dealing with those would be to push them into the Moon. |
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Dec 27 2006, 09:22 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Then stop an incoming impactor by moving the blocker into the way. Apart from the nasty possibility of missing you mentioned, the biggest problem I see with this scenario is how a Phobos-style moon would absorb the hundreds or thousands of megatons of impact energy. It seems such an energy density is way too much for a small body of an order of 20 km in diameter to structurally hold it together. Whether the moon be a rubble pile or a solid rock I'd expect it to simply blow up. Spectacularly. Then you get many smaller projectiles (say several meters diameter) possibly spraying back on Earth. That's still at least kilotons of energy per fragment, not something you want to be at the receiving end of. -------------------- |
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nprev 2006XG1 Dec 26 2006, 10:17 PM
volcanopele hmm, I tried simulating this in Celestia, but even... Dec 26 2006, 11:33 PM
dilo NeoDys gives only a close approach for another dat... Dec 26 2006, 11:58 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 27 2006, 01:54 AM) 190... Dec 27 2006, 08:59 AM

RJG QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 27 2006, 08:59 AM) ... Dec 27 2006, 06:50 PM

tuvas QUOTE (RJG @ Dec 27 2006, 11:50 AM) Can s... Dec 27 2006, 06:57 PM

RJG Thanks Tuvas -sounds like lots of good reasons. Th... Dec 27 2006, 07:09 PM
nprev Interesting idea, JR, though I think trying for lu... Dec 27 2006, 08:31 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 27 2006, 09:22 PM) A... Dec 27 2006, 09:32 PM
tuvas There is a very good reason why both ideas (Crashi... Dec 27 2006, 09:10 PM
tty You definitely do NOT want to use any violent tech... Dec 28 2006, 12:37 AM
ugordan QUOTE (tty @ Dec 28 2006, 01:37 AM) That,... Dec 28 2006, 12:57 AM
tty QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 28 2006, 01:57 AM) B... Dec 28 2006, 02:02 PM
tuvas QUOTE (tty @ Dec 28 2006, 07:02 AM) It is... Dec 28 2006, 11:12 PM
nprev QUOTE (tuvas @ Dec 28 2006, 03:12 PM) As ... Dec 28 2006, 11:28 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tuvas @ Dec 29 2006, 12:12 AM) It ... Dec 29 2006, 11:53 AM
tuvas QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 29 2006, 04:53 AM) W... Dec 29 2006, 02:00 PM
ugordan If you're referring to the Mach stem where the... Dec 29 2006, 02:59 PM
nprev Actually, I meant putting threatening bodies in ac... Dec 28 2006, 04:14 AM
dilo Agree with you, nprev. Also considering that, in o... Dec 28 2006, 06:26 AM
nprev Thanks, Dilo. I think it's prudent to save the... Dec 28 2006, 09:35 AM
nprev Personally, I think it'll be a long, long time... Dec 28 2006, 11:05 PM
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