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Dec 28 2006, 06:30 PM
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A couple of interesting MER-related stories (1, 2) on Space.com today, although it seems to me that many of the details in the first story we learned from Doug's November 6, 2006, interview with Squyres.
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Feb 14 2007, 01:31 PM
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Great articles, thanks; but aren't these the type of capabilities (go and touch; watch) that should have been developed and tested on Earth? It must add months to the certification process to have to test new capabilities remotely over such an enormous distance. Even with testbeds here, you can't afford to risk the landed vehicles so have to proceed deliberately and carefully step by painful step. I guess the question is, with all the research into robotics that has gone on over the past two decades, why could the rovers not have had these abilities (and more) before they departed our fair planet?
Maybe that's a bit judgmental, however we've been able to get so much science and fun out of these two rovers I wonder how much better a job could have been done if truly visionary robotics had been integrated into the development of the rovers. The engineering and scientific accomplishments are incredible of course, but the pure robotics element seems to lag far behind. Much as I love the two little critters, they started life as pretty dumb, although capable machines, almost totally dependent on their operators for every move they make. Perhaps now with the advent of 80-core CPU's we can make them a bit smarter in future, but what's really needed is an Einstein-like roboticist to bring the elements together. Putting this in perspective, had NASA been able to plop a human on Mars, that lucky person would have accomplished in one week all that the rovers have in three years (at one site of course, not both). She'd have walked the 10K to Victoria from Eagle in her first half day. |
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Feb 14 2007, 02:03 PM
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I guess the question is, with all the research into robotics that has gone on over the past two decades, why could the rovers not have had these abilities (and more) before they departed our fair planet? Time. What you're really saying is - wouldn't it be nice if the rovers were better. Yes - it would be. But because of all of the contraints - power, volume, processing power, memory, time, money...they did the best they could in the time available. Did you know that the onboard software for surface ops wasn't ready until after launch? It is so very very easy to sit looking at an article about upgraded software and say "why didn't they do this 3 years ago" without having an appreciation for the genuine difficulty involved. Frankly it is a miracle that they got two working vehicles on the ground, let alone two vehicles that exceeded their requirements for a primary mission and an extended mission for 10x that duration thereafter. An analogy. Why didn't they design the 80486 to be as good as a Core 2 Quadro? Because it takes time. Doug |
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AlexBlackwell Two interesting stories on Space.com Dec 28 2006, 06:30 PM
Myran Oh yes I read them too, so who might this person b... Dec 28 2006, 06:45 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Myran @ Dec 28 2006, 08:45 AM) Oh ... Dec 28 2006, 07:01 PM
Stu Didn't know that story was going up until I re... Dec 28 2006, 07:24 PM
tuvas That's cool man, the best I did on space.com w... Dec 28 2006, 07:43 PM
Tesheiner Very nice words (as usual ), Stu!
Congratula... Dec 28 2006, 08:21 PM
Steve QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 28 2006, 01:30... Dec 28 2006, 08:50 PM
Stu Wow... Just gone online after getting up and found... Dec 29 2006, 07:16 AM
MarsIsImportant Stu, a lot of people may simply follow the story i... Dec 29 2006, 08:05 AM
Stu QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Dec 29 2006, 08... Dec 29 2006, 08:12 AM
CosmicRocker I've been partially out of touch recently, wit... Jan 2 2007, 06:43 AM
ustrax Hey!
I just read the article now...
That... Jan 4 2007, 11:26 AM
Stu Thanks ustrax!
Couple of UMSFers name-chec... Jan 4 2007, 05:25 PM
CosmicRocker I just want to sneak in and apologize for mixing u... Jan 5 2007, 06:01 AM
ustrax One more from Space.com Feb 14 2007, 12:53 PM
paxdan "better is the enemy of good enough" Feb 14 2007, 01:48 PM
MahFL Walk 10 Km in a Space Suit ? I don't think so,... Feb 14 2007, 02:22 PM
MahFL I was in Kendal last summer, I introduced my Ameri... Feb 14 2007, 02:33 PM
mhoward Just repeating some things I've learned on thi... Feb 14 2007, 02:50 PM
MarkL No doubt lack of time is a giant issue, as is avai... Feb 14 2007, 04:38 PM
helvick QUOTE It's just a software problem -- nothing ... Feb 14 2007, 05:16 PM
MarkL What I mean is that software advances require a go... Feb 15 2007, 02:49 PM
djellison QUOTE (MarkL @ Feb 15 2007, 02:49 PM) The... Feb 15 2007, 03:19 PM
MarkL You're right. The software has worked very ve... Feb 15 2007, 06:45 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (MarkL @ Feb 15 2007, 02:45 PM) You... Jun 7 2007, 04:57 PM
nprev QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Jun 7 2007, 09... Jun 8 2007, 03:45 AM
gpurcell Only in retrospect can we know that some of these ... Feb 21 2007, 10:37 PM
ustrax Very interesting article by Steve Squyres. Mar 29 2007, 11:59 AM
Tesheiner When Will NASA's Mars Rovers Fade? Not Tonight... Jun 7 2007, 04:09 PM
Stu Thanks
I know a lot of people here on UMSF fee... Jun 7 2007, 04:34 PM
Gray Great article, Stu.
You have a wonderful way wi... Jun 7 2007, 04:58 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Gray @ Jun 7 2007, 06:58 AM) ... Jun 7 2007, 05:25 PM
Stu Thanks Gray. There should be a couple more pieces ... Jun 7 2007, 05:20 PM
CosmicRocker Very nice, Stu. I just came across the new piece ... Jun 7 2007, 06:17 PM
Pavel Too bad the link to UMSF is incorrect and leads to... Jun 7 2007, 08:02 PM
Stu QUOTE (Pavel @ Jun 7 2007, 09:02 PM) Too ... Jun 7 2007, 09:01 PM
Phillip Thanks for the article Stu and well done indeed. ... Jun 8 2007, 12:55 AM
helvick Stu,
Seems like there are Browcoats everywhere th... Jun 8 2007, 06:28 AM![]() ![]() |
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