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Jan 3 2007, 07:37 PM
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Forwarding an email that was sent out today by Dmitri Titov, Venus Express PI. Cross reference with this UMSF thread.
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Jan 9 2007, 02:25 PM
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This discussion is more noise than information. Can I suggest Nils Muller's astonishing extraction algorithm as a way of getting at what lies beneath? Anyone who wonders why VEX has taken so long to release product should read the Mueller paper (summary below). This young man and his colleagues have slaved for month after month to extract surface emissivity data out of the scrambled VIRTIS data. Their first "picture" (yes, one) was displayed at AGU last month. Mueller was the proudest planetary researcher I have ever met, bar none. Does he care he's not a daily POD?
ESA's non-core budget was evicerated several years ago to repay (IIRC) seven BILLION euro to industry. If that debt of honour was not repayed there would have been no ESA. P.R. was a major victim. Vote now: PODs or missions? Individual MEX PI's such as Bibring and Neukem use their own precious time and budgets to turn up at virtually every planetary science meeting around the globe. I have found them willing to share information at a level that matches or exceeds the undoubted openness of their U.S. colleagues. I am not associated with ESA, but I believe their public outreach staff do a very credible job in often straitened circumstances. My in-box tells me that ESA's press office has issued seven press releases in the first week of 2007 - four on Friday alone. I am aware that ESA is currently exploring novel alternative ways of structuring its public outreach with the help of member governments, but there's a limit to what you can do in-house if the-powers-that-be insist on putting research ahead of PODs. P42A-07 Algorithm for Extraction of Surface Emissivity in the Context of VIRTIS on Venus Express * Mueller, N (nils.mueller@dlr.de) , DLR Institute for Planetary Research, Rutherfordstr. 2, Berlin, 12489 Germany Jorn, H (joern.helbert@dlr.de) , DLR Institute for Planetary Research, Rutherfordstr. 2, Berlin, 12489 Germany Hashimoto, G (george@kobe-u.ac.jp) , Graduate School of Science and Technology, Kobe University, Nada-ku, Kobe, 657-8501 Japan Marinangeli, L (luciam@irsps.unich.it) , IRSPS, Universita d Annunzio, Viale Pindaro, 42, Pescara, 65127 Italy Piccioni, G (piccioni@rm.iasf.cnr.it) , INAF - IASF Roma, Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100, Roma, 00133 Drossart, P (Pierre.Drossart@obspm.fr) , LESIA - Observatoire de Paris, 61 avenue de l observatoire, Paris, 75014 France Venus nightside multispectral images aquired by VIRTIS contain information of surface emissivity at wavelengths close to 1 micron. This information is relayed by thermal emissions of the surface escaping to space through the NIR spectral 'windows' in the atmosphere. On its way through the atmosphere the thermal radiation is modified by scattering and absorption by clouds. Variations in the optical thickness of the clouds modulate the spatial distribution of upwelling radiation. Multiple reflections between surface and clouds generally wash out image contrast from surface emissivity. We present an algorithm to extract surface emissivities by separating atmospheric influences from the images inside the spectral windows at 1.02, 1.10 and 1.18 micron. The necessary processing steps detailed are: 1) Removal of scattered sunlight 2) Binning of appropriate images inside the window spectral ranges 3) Correction of limb darkening 4) Removal of contrast due to attenuation by clouds 5) Removal of contrast due to surface temperature 6) Correction for multiple cloud-surface-reflections For a first quick guess on general trends of emissivity with respect to geological circumstances this algorithm is applied with several simplifications and ad-hoc assumptions. This simple model assumes the atmosphere of Venus to be one horizontally homogenous layer with spatial variation of transmittance allowing for direct inversion of the data. For an improved estimation of surface emissivity tabulated results from previous forward modeling of radiative transfer are used for steps 2) to 6). With this approach the accuracy of a detailed modeling of the atmosphere of Venus is combined with the speed and traceability of the step-by-step inversion of radiance data using the simplified model. |
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Jan 9 2007, 05:38 PM
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But this is entirely beside the point of what we're complaining about. No one is saying that we should whip the scientists to do hard work faster. There is other data more easily presented ("low hanging fruit") which is shown by the images they have released already. It's the stinginess with regard to the raw data or that which requires modest processing that is the heart of the complaint. Venus has fascinating cloud structures which show off a lot of detail in IR and UV and don't require massive amounts of work to process to create an impressive release. I'll remind some words I got from Monica Talevi (ESA's Science Information Manager) 6 months ago: "....In fact, much differently from NASA, ESA - by its constitution - doesn't fund the payload (scientific instruments) of its spacecraft, which are on the contrary funded by European Scientific institutes or National Space Agencies. The payload scientists have priority right to use the scientific data for a few months from their reception; only after this time ESA can claim back its full property of the data. Clearly, precise agreements are in place bewteen ESA and the payload scientists as far as the use of PR images are concerned, but any delivery of public outreach material must pass through a process that takes some time, because the parties involved are several." -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Jan 9 2007, 07:21 PM
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The payload scientists have priority right to use the scientific data for a few months A few months = two years for Huygens SSP? Smart 1's EXTENDED mission began in the middle of 2005. Sorry - they're not even sticking to their own word. If the agreements between ESA and the instruments dictate that the current turnaround of data release and regularity of outreach efforts is acceptable - then the agreements are flawed and future agreements should be different and specify more verbose details on what should be done, by when. The argument that ESA is underperforming because it is a complex, distributed organisation is nothing more than a poor excuse. Doug |
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AlexBlackwell Venus Express: One Year in Orbit Jan 3 2007, 07:37 PM
JRehling [...] Jan 4 2007, 06:17 PM
Littlebit QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 4 2007, 11:17 AM) T... Jan 4 2007, 07:13 PM
Phil Stooke "VE is a failed mission."
On the contra... Jan 4 2007, 07:40 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 4 2007, 09:40 AM... Jan 4 2007, 08:16 PM
helvick True it is only a PR failure and apart from the PF... Jan 4 2007, 08:31 PM
djellison A PR failure - but not a failed mission by any str... Jan 4 2007, 08:09 PM
Littlebit QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 4 2007, 01:09 PM) ... Jan 4 2007, 08:55 PM
djellison Oh - we all know that ESA is just utterly utterly ... Jan 4 2007, 08:47 PM
djellison Yes - but there IS someone to observe the event - ... Jan 4 2007, 08:59 PM
Bob Shaw I think that in the US the space community long ag... Jan 4 2007, 10:33 PM
JRehling [...] Jan 5 2007, 12:07 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 4 2007, 07:07 PM) I... Jan 5 2007, 12:20 AM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 5 2007, 12:20 AM) C... Jan 5 2007, 12:26 AM

JonClarke I have said this before and I am going to say this... Jan 5 2007, 09:51 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (JonClarke @ Jan 5 2007, 09:51 PM) ... Jan 5 2007, 10:07 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JonClarke @ Jan 5 2007, 11:51 AM) ... Jan 5 2007, 10:25 PM

djellison QUOTE (JonClarke @ Jan 5 2007, 09:51 PM) ... Jan 6 2007, 12:07 AM

JRehling QUOTE (JonClarke @ Jan 5 2007, 01:51 PM) ... Jan 7 2007, 07:32 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 5 2007, 12:20 AM) T... Jan 5 2007, 12:32 AM
JTN Since this old chestnut has come up again: I thoug... Jan 4 2007, 10:30 PM
remcook A question: who does all the outreach for the MERs... Jan 5 2007, 04:42 PM
nprev Doug & admins, please move this post as approp... Jan 8 2007, 03:29 AM
ustrax QUOTE (ollopa @ Jan 9 2007, 02:25 PM) Thi... Jan 9 2007, 02:52 PM

4th rock from the sun Let me dream a little, but part of the solution to... Jan 9 2007, 03:36 PM
djellison QUOTE (ollopa @ Jan 9 2007, 02:25 PM) Thi... Jan 9 2007, 03:34 PM

ollopa [quote name='djellison' date='Jan 9 20... Jan 9 2007, 04:23 PM
djellison Outside the remit of outreach - but still a job it... Jan 9 2007, 05:05 PM
slinted I know there's no way of knowing how this woul... Jan 14 2007, 07:59 AM
J.J. I agree with others who say that the differences b... Jan 14 2007, 07:58 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (J.J. @ Jan 14 2007, 07:58 PM) To b... Jan 14 2007, 09:05 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (J.J. @ Jan 14 2007, 07:58 PM) To b... Jan 15 2007, 09:35 PM
edstrick "have sites that look like they were designed... Jan 15 2007, 11:29 AM
remcook QUOTE Well, with Giotto and MEx there have been is... Jan 15 2007, 03:01 PM
dvandorn I'm unsure whether this observation should go ... Jan 15 2007, 04:07 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 15 2007, 04:07 PM) ... Jan 15 2007, 04:31 PM
AlexBlackwell The abstracts for this session are now online. Ch... Jan 30 2007, 12:57 AM
ustrax Does anyone need a job?...
A lot more here. Feb 14 2007, 12:34 PM![]() ![]() |
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