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Lost landers from HiRISE, The next step
tuvas
post Jan 3 2007, 08:41 PM
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Okay, we now have definitive pictures of VL1, 2, Spirit, Opportunity, and a Pathfinder coming up soon. So, now, what would the lost landers look like, starting with Beagle, MPL, and Mars 6, which will be the easiest to find of the landers. Just curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
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post Jan 3 2007, 11:07 PM
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MPL will have to wait until Southern Summer I presume - we should know where it is FAIRLY well from tracking etc. and we know we should be able to find a parachute VERY easily, as well as Backshell and Heatshield. As for the lander itself - slightly smaller than the viking spacecraft if memory serves me right - and likely to be a lot 'shorter' (i.e. crushed landing legs etc ) - and if there were any 'splat' mark from leaked fuel etc - i would have thought that 3 winters would have eliminated much if not all evidence of that.

Beagle 2, well that supposed MOC target would be an interesting starting point. How far B2 got through its landing sequence before failing will dictate how much 'stuff' is on the ground. The Chute - if 'entry' worked - deflated airbags should be visible as well, if it got further than that. The heatshield, backshell and indeed the lander itself - I would say no - going on the sim I managed which seems to be something roughly indicative going on MER experience...
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ost&id=8409

As for pieces of the historic Russian landers - I would be doubtfull. They were comparatively small, and their Parachutes and indeed any other hardware- if anything like V1 and V2's chutes - will almost certainly be dust-covered and hard to identify.

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- tuvas   Lost landers from HiRISE   Jan 3 2007, 08:41 PM
- - Tesheiner   > So, now, what would the lost landers look lik...   Jan 3 2007, 08:57 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jan 3 2007, 01:57 PM) ...   Jan 3 2007, 09:15 PM
- - djellison   MPL will have to wait until Southern Summer I pres...   Jan 3 2007, 11:07 PM
|- - KobeDane   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 4 2007, 12:07 AM) ...   Jan 25 2012, 04:10 AM
|- - dilo   If I try to open any one of attached images in pre...   Jan 25 2012, 07:43 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (KobeDane @ Jan 24 2012, 08:10 PM) ...   Jan 25 2012, 07:59 AM
- - nprev   Has anybody derived an estimate of the overall dus...   Jan 3 2007, 11:47 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 3 2007, 11:47 PM) Has ...   Jan 4 2007, 12:31 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   I wonder how visible the impact points of the DS2 ...   Jan 4 2007, 12:52 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 4 2007, 01:52 AM) I...   Jan 6 2007, 02:34 AM
- - dvandorn   Let's see, a couple of responses, here... Dou...   Jan 4 2007, 04:13 AM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 3 2007, 10:13 PM) L...   Jan 4 2007, 06:37 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 3 2007, 08:13 PM) J...   Jan 7 2007, 05:00 PM
- - edstrick   Terminology point: The Soviet Mars landers, as we...   Jan 4 2007, 12:47 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 4 2007, 12:47 PM) T...   Jan 4 2007, 08:40 PM
- - lyford   The Soviets were true pioneers of lithobraking...   Jan 4 2007, 04:58 PM
- - djellison   http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/tekton/crater_c.html C...   Jan 4 2007, 05:21 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 4 2007, 10:21 AM) ...   Jan 4 2007, 09:22 PM
- - djellison   What we need is an MSL proposed landing at Isidis ...   Jan 4 2007, 09:35 PM
- - tim53   I was a bit disappointed to learn how small the Ru...   Jan 4 2007, 10:18 PM
|- - JonClarke   QUOTE (tim53 @ Jan 4 2007, 10:18 PM) I wa...   Jan 4 2007, 10:28 PM
- - edstrick   "...NEAR, Hayabusa, Phobos 1&2 and Phobos...   Jan 5 2007, 09:44 AM
- - ljk4-1   Though the odds are small until we can actually vi...   Jan 5 2007, 04:02 PM
- - nprev   Man, those were ambitious missions...I sure wish t...   Jan 6 2007, 01:06 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 6 2007, 01:06 AM) Man,...   Jan 6 2007, 01:33 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 5 2007, 08:06 PM) Man,...   Jan 6 2007, 02:39 AM
|- - As old as Voyager   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2007, 02:39 AM...   Jan 6 2007, 10:10 AM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (As old as Voyager @ Jan 6 2007, 03...   Jan 6 2007, 06:57 PM
- - nprev   Yeah, I'd buy that as a probable alternative e...   Jan 6 2007, 02:49 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 5 2007, 09:49 PM) Yeah...   Jan 6 2007, 02:52 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 5 2007, 06:52 PM...   Jan 6 2007, 03:16 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2007, 02:52 AM...   Jan 6 2007, 05:12 AM
- - edstrick   As I think I've pointed out in discussions her...   Jan 6 2007, 11:29 AM
- - nprev   The ejecta color also has to be at least partially...   Jan 7 2007, 02:05 AM
- - Zvezdichko   It seems that the hunt for Beagle 2 has already be...   Feb 14 2007, 04:55 PM
- - djellison   When the seasons allow. The MPL site is in total d...   Feb 14 2007, 05:09 PM
- - robspace54   Emily L. at Planetary society posted this today: ...   Feb 15 2007, 06:57 PM
- - elakdawalla   Rob, you'll find the Beagle 2 discussion here....   Feb 15 2007, 07:06 PM
- - PDP8E   On the HiRise website this week (Feb2012) they pos...   Feb 18 2012, 04:29 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Feb 17 2012, 08:29 PM) It ...   Feb 18 2012, 04:34 AM
|- - IM4   It maybe interesting to you that a parachute-like ...   Feb 21 2012, 04:11 PM
- - djellison   What was Mars 3's landing system like - and th...   Feb 21 2012, 04:42 PM
|- - IM4   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 21 2012, 04:42 PM)...   Feb 21 2012, 05:29 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (IM4 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:29 AM) There...   Feb 21 2012, 05:33 PM
|- - dilo   The movie is really amazing, IM4... at the last mi...   Feb 21 2012, 08:09 PM
- - James Sorenson   Although this looks like an interesting candidate,...   Feb 21 2012, 06:09 PM
- - djellison   It's only 45deg South, and HiRISE images mid-a...   Feb 21 2012, 06:34 PM
- - PDP8E   That Soviet movie was very cool. Here are some of ...   Feb 21 2012, 06:41 PM
|- - Leither   In 'The Difficult Road to Mars' by VG Perm...   Feb 21 2012, 07:29 PM
- - hendric   If it is on top of the lander, the chute could sta...   Feb 21 2012, 08:07 PM
- - Phil Stooke   My concern about this is that I would not expect t...   Feb 22 2012, 02:37 PM
- - Zelenyikot   Difference in parachutes of Vikings and the Soviet...   Jan 24 2013, 12:48 AM
- - djellison   That's not a parachute - it's exposed bedr...   Jan 24 2013, 01:13 AM
- - Cosmic Penguin   Copying from another thread: plausible Mars 3 cand...   Apr 11 2013, 06:55 PM
|- - Liss   QUOTE (Cosmic Penguin @ Apr 11 2013, 10:5...   Apr 11 2013, 09:43 PM
- - nprev   I would call this intriguing, but far from definit...   Apr 11 2013, 07:12 PM
- - stevesliva   ^ Contrast-stretched image?   Apr 11 2013, 08:36 PM
- - PDP8E   Just got an email from the HiRise team for (one) o...   May 2 2013, 01:02 AM
- - vikingmars   Soviet Mars 6 parachute ? Well.. Unfortunately ...   May 29 2013, 03:14 PM


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