Lost landers from HiRISE, The next step |
Lost landers from HiRISE, The next step |
Jan 3 2007, 08:41 PM
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Okay, we now have definitive pictures of VL1, 2, Spirit, Opportunity, and a Pathfinder coming up soon. So, now, what would the lost landers look like, starting with Beagle, MPL, and Mars 6, which will be the easiest to find of the landers. Just curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
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Feb 21 2012, 06:41 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 508 Joined: 10-October 06 From: Maynard Mass USA Member No.: 1241 |
That Soviet movie was very cool. Here are some of the essentials I have gleaned over the years...
MARS 3 Main parts * Lander = 1.2 meter spherical, with 4 petals to right itself * Aero/Heat shield = 2.9 meter, (more conical, than rounded- there is no back shell) * Braking parachute * Main parachute * Retro rockets MARS 3 EDL Sequence 09:14 UT (2/DEC/71) Mars 3 separated from the orbiter 09:30 UT - Engines were fire to re-orient the spacecraft (aeroshield forward) 13:47 UT - Entry into the Martian atmosphere at 5.7 km/sec; at an angle less than 10 degrees. (unknown time) - The braking parachute was deployed (unk time) – Main chute was deployed which was ‘reefed’ until the craft dropped below supersonic velocity, at which time it was fully deployed. (unk time) – The aero/heat shield was ejected, and the radar altimeter was turned on. Mars 3 is going in head first (altimeter is on the top of the craft) (unk time) - At an altitude of 20 to 30 meters at a velocity of 60 - 110 m/s the parachute is released with retrorockets, bring it off to the side, the main retrorockets continue to fire. The lander is released to drop to the surface. The retros carry the remainder of the EDL framework away (remind anyone of MSL?) 13:50:35 UT - Mars 3 ‘landed’ at the surface at a reported 20.7 m/s (ouch!); approx 45S, 158W . (unk time) - The four petal-shaped covers open to right the lander 13:52:05 UT –The lander starts transmitting to the Mars 3 orbiter. 13:52:25 UT - The surface transmissions stop. What should be left: Aeroshield/Heatshield (size: 2.9 meters, within 500 meters of lander?) Main parachute with spent retrorocket (unknown size; within 150 meters of the lander?) EDL framework with spent retrorockets (size: <2 meters, within 100 meters of the lander) Lander (1.2 meter sphere, white, 4 petals protruding) (...or some jumbled up mess of lander and chutes....) -------------------- CLA CLL
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Feb 21 2012, 07:29 PM
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In 'The Difficult Road to Mars' by VG Perminov, Nasa Monograph, NP-1999-06-251-HQ
The heatshield is given as 3.2m (limited by the Proton shroud) and with a vertex angle of 120 The braking parachute area 13m2 Main parachute area 140m2 with the heat shield being jettisoned after main shute deployment 16-30m above the surface the solid fuelled braking engines fire to slow down the descent down to 6.5m/s at which point the lander is released into freefall. The braking engines released from their burden are then intended to 'flyaway' the main parachute as shown very graphically in Figure 12, bullet 13. The aeroshell is 'pushed' away 17s after impact In this source the text and the diagram indicate that the main shute and the braking engines remain attached right up to lander release. Could that be a 140m2 parachute wrapped round the braking engines or even the lander?? |
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tuvas Lost landers from HiRISE Jan 3 2007, 08:41 PM
Tesheiner > So, now, what would the lost landers look lik... Jan 3 2007, 08:57 PM
tuvas QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jan 3 2007, 01:57 PM) ... Jan 3 2007, 09:15 PM
djellison MPL will have to wait until Southern Summer I pres... Jan 3 2007, 11:07 PM
KobeDane QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 4 2007, 12:07 AM) ... Jan 25 2012, 04:10 AM
dilo If I try to open any one of attached images in pre... Jan 25 2012, 07:43 AM
djellison QUOTE (KobeDane @ Jan 24 2012, 08:10 PM) ... Jan 25 2012, 07:59 AM
nprev Has anybody derived an estimate of the overall dus... Jan 3 2007, 11:47 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 3 2007, 11:47 PM) Has ... Jan 4 2007, 12:31 AM
Bob Shaw I wonder how visible the impact points of the DS2 ... Jan 4 2007, 12:52 AM
climber QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 4 2007, 01:52 AM) I... Jan 6 2007, 02:34 AM
dvandorn Let's see, a couple of responses, here...
Dou... Jan 4 2007, 04:13 AM
hendric QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 3 2007, 10:13 PM) L... Jan 4 2007, 06:37 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 3 2007, 08:13 PM) J... Jan 7 2007, 05:00 PM
edstrick Terminology point: The Soviet Mars landers, as we... Jan 4 2007, 12:47 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 4 2007, 12:47 PM) T... Jan 4 2007, 08:40 PM
lyford The Soviets were true pioneers of lithobraking... Jan 4 2007, 04:58 PM
djellison http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/tekton/crater_c.html
C... Jan 4 2007, 05:21 PM
tuvas QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 4 2007, 10:21 AM) ... Jan 4 2007, 09:22 PM
djellison What we need is an MSL proposed landing at Isidis ... Jan 4 2007, 09:35 PM
tim53 I was a bit disappointed to learn how small the Ru... Jan 4 2007, 10:18 PM
JonClarke QUOTE (tim53 @ Jan 4 2007, 10:18 PM) I wa... Jan 4 2007, 10:28 PM
edstrick "...NEAR, Hayabusa, Phobos 1&2 and Phobos... Jan 5 2007, 09:44 AM
ljk4-1 Though the odds are small until we can actually vi... Jan 5 2007, 04:02 PM
nprev Man, those were ambitious missions...I sure wish t... Jan 6 2007, 01:06 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 6 2007, 01:06 AM) Man,... Jan 6 2007, 01:33 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 5 2007, 08:06 PM) Man,... Jan 6 2007, 02:39 AM
As old as Voyager QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2007, 02:39 AM... Jan 6 2007, 10:10 AM
tuvas QUOTE (As old as Voyager @ Jan 6 2007, 03... Jan 6 2007, 06:57 PM
nprev Yeah, I'd buy that as a probable alternative e... Jan 6 2007, 02:49 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 5 2007, 09:49 PM) Yeah... Jan 6 2007, 02:52 AM
nprev QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 5 2007, 06:52 PM... Jan 6 2007, 03:16 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2007, 02:52 AM... Jan 6 2007, 05:12 AM
edstrick As I think I've pointed out in discussions her... Jan 6 2007, 11:29 AM
nprev The ejecta color also has to be at least partially... Jan 7 2007, 02:05 AM
Zvezdichko It seems that the hunt for Beagle 2 has already be... Feb 14 2007, 04:55 PM
djellison When the seasons allow. The MPL site is in total d... Feb 14 2007, 05:09 PM
robspace54 Emily L. at Planetary society posted this today:
... Feb 15 2007, 06:57 PM
elakdawalla Rob, you'll find the Beagle 2 discussion here.... Feb 15 2007, 07:06 PM
PDP8E On the HiRise website this week (Feb2012) they pos... Feb 18 2012, 04:29 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (PDP8E @ Feb 17 2012, 08:29 PM) It ... Feb 18 2012, 04:34 AM
IM4 It maybe interesting to you that a parachute-like ... Feb 21 2012, 04:11 PM
djellison What was Mars 3's landing system like - and th... Feb 21 2012, 04:42 PM
IM4 QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 21 2012, 04:42 PM)... Feb 21 2012, 05:29 PM
djellison QUOTE (IM4 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:29 AM) There... Feb 21 2012, 05:33 PM
dilo The movie is really amazing, IM4... at the last mi... Feb 21 2012, 08:09 PM
James Sorenson Although this looks like an interesting candidate,... Feb 21 2012, 06:09 PM
djellison It's only 45deg South, and HiRISE images mid-a... Feb 21 2012, 06:34 PM
hendric If it is on top of the lander, the chute could sta... Feb 21 2012, 08:07 PM
Phil Stooke My concern about this is that I would not expect t... Feb 22 2012, 02:37 PM
Zelenyikot Difference in parachutes of Vikings and the Soviet... Jan 24 2013, 12:48 AM
djellison That's not a parachute - it's exposed bedr... Jan 24 2013, 01:13 AM
Cosmic Penguin Copying from another thread: plausible Mars 3 cand... Apr 11 2013, 06:55 PM
Liss QUOTE (Cosmic Penguin @ Apr 11 2013, 10:5... Apr 11 2013, 09:43 PM
nprev I would call this intriguing, but far from definit... Apr 11 2013, 07:12 PM
stevesliva ^ Contrast-stretched image? Apr 11 2013, 08:36 PM
PDP8E Just got an email from the HiRise team for (one) o... May 2 2013, 01:02 AM![]() ![]() |
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