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Helicopters on Mars?, (Forget the Mars Airplane)
karolp
post Jan 10 2007, 11:38 AM
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Hello again,

With the Martian airplane concept becoming sort of abandoned these days, I just wonder if a Martian CHOPPER was ever considered. With the capability of MRO I guess we do not need airborn instruments dedicated to imaging there. But: what about chemical measurements and "sniffing" for volatiles? Imagine something that could land at one spot found to be interesting on MRO photos and then take off and go sniffing for methane somewhere else? What do you think? Does it make any sense to you?

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post Jan 13 2007, 05:08 AM
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smile.gif ...yep. Back in the day when I worked avionics on HH-60s (including flight controls) it really seemed like no two choppers flew alike. I must have changed a dozen trim actuators (and many, many more stability augmentation computers) for no other reason than that the beast "didn't feel right"... rolleyes.gif

Point being that I really can't imagine UM helos on Mars or anywhere else. Not to knock those who propose this idea, though; it's a neat concept, and their capabilities would be tremendous with respect to exploratory applications. The sad fact is that copters require a lot of TLC to fly at all, so their survivability as remote platforms is quite limited indeed.


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post Jan 13 2007, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 13 2007, 05:08 AM) *
smile.gif ...yep. Back in the day when I worked avionics on HH-60s (including flight controls) it really seemed like no two choppers flew alike. I must have changed a dozen trim actuators (and many, many more stability augmentation computers) for no other reason than that the beast "didn't feel right"... rolleyes.gif

Point being that I really can't imagine UM helos on Mars or anywhere else. Not to knock those who propose this idea, though; it's a neat concept, and their capabilities would be tremendous with respect to exploratory applications. The sad fact is that copters require a lot of TLC to fly at all, so their survivability as remote platforms is quite limited indeed.



Gyros, though, make a certain amount of sense, especially those which can jump-start into the air. They offer most of the advantages of a helicopter but are much simpler in execution. They are also seriously silly vehicles - I once saw a friend take off *across* a runway, just for fun!


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post Jan 13 2007, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 13 2007, 05:28 PM) *
Gyros, though, make a certain amount of sense, especially those which can jump-start into the air. They offer most of the advantages of a helicopter but are much simpler in execution. They are also seriously silly vehicles - I once saw a friend take off *across* a runway, just for fun!
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Gyroplanes have very limited altitude capability (the world record is only about 8,000 meters I think). I can't imagine one getting airborne on Mars, and certainly not across a runway!

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- karolp   Helicopters on Mars?   Jan 10 2007, 11:38 AM
- - djellison   I've changed the topic of the thread - you wro...   Jan 10 2007, 12:06 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Helicopters on Titan, that's the thing. You us...   Jan 10 2007, 12:30 PM
|- - karolp   Thank you for correcting me. I also thought the de...   Jan 10 2007, 01:08 PM
- - ngunn   Variations on the hot air balloon theme make a lot...   Jan 10 2007, 01:13 PM
- - djellison   Oh - I've seen pdf's and ppt's showing...   Jan 10 2007, 01:23 PM
- - ngunn   Very interesting. How do people rate these ideas? ...   Jan 10 2007, 01:36 PM
|- - karolp   Actually, balloons were not only considered. They ...   Jan 10 2007, 02:09 PM
|- - ynyralmaen   QUOTE (karolp @ Jan 10 2007, 03:09 PM) .....   Jan 10 2007, 03:05 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (ynyralmaen @ Jan 10 2007, 10:05 AM...   Jan 10 2007, 04:30 PM
|- - ynyralmaen   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Jan 10 2007, 05...   Jan 10 2007, 07:25 PM
- - remcook   The Mars 96 mission was supposed to have a balloon...   Jan 10 2007, 02:09 PM
- - Gray   Just yesterday I happened to see a photo of a flyi...   Jan 10 2007, 02:54 PM
|- - MarkL   QUOTE (Gray @ Jan 10 2007, 02:54 PM) Just...   Jan 10 2007, 04:54 PM
- - MarkL   It was a great loss at the time, but putting it in...   Jan 10 2007, 04:39 PM
- - Gray   In addition to carbon dioxide, I suspect that devi...   Jan 10 2007, 06:15 PM
- - Tom Ames   Compared to fixed-wing and lighter-than-air craft,...   Jan 10 2007, 07:26 PM
- - Paolo   A prototype of a Mars autogyro (a sort of helicopt...   Jan 10 2007, 07:47 PM
|- - helvick   I can't see any reason for doing this rather t...   Jan 10 2007, 08:16 PM
- - ngunn   A delayed thank you to doug, karolp and remcook fo...   Jan 10 2007, 08:17 PM
- - Myran   Theres not only one but several obstacles thaty I ...   Jan 11 2007, 11:52 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Myran @ Jan 12 2007, 12:52 AM) As ...   Jan 12 2007, 07:17 PM
- - nprev   Yet another major disadvantage of UMSF helicopters...   Jan 12 2007, 01:38 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 12 2007, 01:38 AM) The...   Jan 12 2007, 05:51 PM
- - edstrick   Airplanes fly by the laws of aerodynamics. Helicop...   Jan 12 2007, 11:11 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 12 2007, 12:11 PM) ...   Jan 12 2007, 07:20 PM
- - djellison   There's a tape out there by an ex pilot who di...   Jan 12 2007, 07:54 PM
- - nprev   ...yep. Back in the day when I worked avionics on ...   Jan 13 2007, 05:08 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 13 2007, 05:08 AM) .....   Jan 13 2007, 04:28 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 13 2007, 05:28 PM) ...   Jan 13 2007, 05:39 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tty @ Jan 13 2007, 05:39 PM) Gyrop...   Jan 13 2007, 06:11 PM
- - edstrick   ""Helicopters can't really fly, they...   Jan 13 2007, 01:30 PM
- - nprev   Titan would of course be far more rotary-friendly ...   Jan 13 2007, 06:41 PM
|- - Thu   There's an even more simple design than helos ...   Jan 14 2007, 08:39 AM
- - edstrick   The worst case scenario for flying is Triton. Sur...   Jan 14 2007, 11:08 AM
- - jamescanvin   Moved posts about Aerobraking at Triton   Jan 17 2007, 09:26 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   I just came across a photo of Zubrin's Gashopp...   Jan 18 2007, 01:34 PM
- - djellison   So did someone else on page 1 of this thread.   Jan 18 2007, 03:28 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 18 2007, 03:28 PM)...   Jan 18 2007, 04:55 PM
- - Shaka   Looks like somebody forgot to forget the Mars airp...   Feb 13 2007, 07:31 PM


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