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post Jan 12 2007, 02:01 PM
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Assuming for the sake of argument here that someday we'll have propulsion systems capable of propelling vehicles at a significant fraction of the speed of light, what kinds of technical challenges will be presented by the interstellar medium?

Right out of the gate, I can't see how anything we might build could survive hitting so much as a dust grain at even 0.01C. Heavy forward shields have been proposed, but the jolts from such collisions even if the spacecraft isn't vaporized would seem a bit unsettling to the payload.

Assuming that issue can be overcome and that we can actually go even faster (<0.5C), at what point would interstellar hydrogen become aerodynamically (or even hydrodynamically!) significant as far as drag? Would true starships actually have to look something like hypersonic aircraft, or even subs depending on relative hydrogen density?


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post Jan 18 2007, 05:59 PM
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Some nice ideas have been presented here, but dividing a probe into several miniature ones doesnt solve one of the most important problems. And that is communication back to Earth.
Would those 'starwhisps' by some magical trick somehow pull a terrawatt laser and nuclear reactor our of their sleeve?
(Yes the sail items might be modified to work as one dish for radio also, but again, that would add quite to the complexity of the sail and the number of things it should be able to do. Then the power needed for transmission would not be that much smaller and complex radio signals carrying megabytes of data will degrade more than laser in the interaction with gas, the stellar wind, galactic magnetic field etc etc.)

Another misunderstanding with lightsails is that they're unable to break their speed. They actually are!

One way would be to use the laser light itself and change to the opposite tack, so that the 'mirror' surface directs the laser light forward.
(Anyone who knows a bit of sailing here? Its more or less the same thing as when you arrange the sails of a ship to go against the wind.)

Its not as efficient as the acceleration but if you could charge the sail with quite a lot of electricity it would generate its own magnetic field and choosing the polarity the sail would be able to break. If the heliosphere around that star are as extensive as for Sol it could break for almost a lightyear in this fashion.

Last and most risky would be to go very near the destination star breaking both by the light and stellar wind.

One insterstellar probe might use not only one but two or all of these methods to either break enough to get a decent observation time at the target star or even come to a stop and so be able to explore interesting worlds one by one at closer range.
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post Jan 18 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (Myran @ Jan 18 2007, 05:59 PM) *
Some nice ideas have been presented here, but dividing a probe into several miniature ones doesnt solve one of the most important problems. And that is communication back to Earth.
Would those 'starwhisps' by some magical trick somehow pull a terrawatt laser and nuclear reactor our of their sleeve?


I would guess that this is where the self replicating probe idea comes into its own, as a probe that could build a copy of itself could build a reactor and transmitter on site as well- if it could find suitable resorces.


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- nprev   Fast Interstellar Travel Issues   Jan 12 2007, 02:01 PM
- - helvick   Just to give you some simplistic ballpark numbers....   Jan 12 2007, 02:58 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for the numbers, Helvick; interesting! ...   Jan 12 2007, 03:24 PM
|- - marsbug   That would make much more sense than lugging tons ...   Jan 12 2007, 04:35 PM
- - nprev   Inefficient to be sure, but I was assuming that th...   Jan 12 2007, 05:34 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   We've already seen effects back in the 1980s w...   Jan 12 2007, 06:54 PM
- - nprev   Points noted, Bob. Problem is, as Helvick so ably ...   Jan 12 2007, 07:48 PM
|- - marsbug   Give it all of the above, lasers, layerd areogel s...   Jan 12 2007, 10:04 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Remember that Giotto didn't just encounter smo...   Jan 12 2007, 10:44 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (marsbug @ Jan 12 2007, 02:04 PM) P...   Jan 13 2007, 02:51 AM
|- - Thu   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 13 2007, 09:51 AM) ......   Jan 13 2007, 11:02 AM
||- - marsbug   I've always liked the idea of propelling a spa...   Jan 13 2007, 12:37 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 13 2007, 02:51 AM) Tha...   Jan 13 2007, 04:23 PM
- - nprev   Well, Bob, if they were manned vessels then #1 wou...   Jan 13 2007, 06:17 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   At EOM, when approaching the target solar system, ...   Jan 13 2007, 11:39 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 13 2007, 06:17 PM) Thu...   Jan 14 2007, 12:07 AM
- - nprev   You know, I was thinking that too, but I also kept...   Jan 14 2007, 02:10 AM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 13 2007, 06:10 PM) the...   Jan 14 2007, 03:06 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (mchan @ Jan 13 2007, 07:06 PM) If ...   Jan 14 2007, 03:37 AM
|- - Thu   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 14 2007, 10:37 AM) EDI...   Jan 14 2007, 08:20 AM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (Thu @ Jan 14 2007, 08:20 AM) Cons ...   Jan 14 2007, 09:50 AM
- - deglr6328   I think we are neglecting a VERY important issue h...   Jan 14 2007, 03:00 AM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Jan 14 2007, 03:00 AM)...   Jan 14 2007, 07:20 PM
- - J.J.   Lots of good ideas in this thread. I also favor a...   Jan 14 2007, 07:09 PM
- - deglr6328   Oops! I guess I did that wrong! Hey I was...   Jan 15 2007, 01:00 AM
- - nprev   Don't feel bad, Deglr; I was too lazy to do th...   Jan 15 2007, 01:11 PM
|- - Thu   Nprev, I'm sorry for not mentioning it's a...   Jan 15 2007, 02:39 PM
- - nprev   Gotcha. But 0.1c translates into around 30,000 km/...   Jan 15 2007, 03:16 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...   Jan 15 2007, 09:48 PM
- - nprev   Thanks, Bob. I had just barely heard of the Centau...   Jan 16 2007, 02:26 AM
|- - marsbug   There seems to be no shortage of ideas and enthusi...   Jan 16 2007, 12:30 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (marsbug @ Jan 16 2007, 12:30 PM) T...   Jan 16 2007, 02:33 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 16 2007, 02:33 PM) ...   Jan 16 2007, 05:55 PM
- - tasp   After the acceleration phase, one could simply fly...   Jan 16 2007, 02:34 PM
- - edstrick   It's abundantly clear from engineering concept...   Jan 17 2007, 09:37 AM
- - djellison   Several SETI related posts delete ( there is a thr...   Jan 17 2007, 11:45 AM
|- - marsbug   also your bad to quote the whole of the preceeding...   Jan 17 2007, 12:03 PM
- - Myran   Some nice ideas have been presented here, but divi...   Jan 18 2007, 05:59 PM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (Myran @ Jan 18 2007, 05:59 PM) Som...   Jan 18 2007, 09:45 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   The big problem with 'tiny' probes is the ...   Jan 18 2007, 11:11 PM
- - edstrick   The other problem with tiny probes are diffraction...   Jan 19 2007, 09:11 AM
- - nprev   Sure would be nice to figure out a way to stay awh...   Jan 20 2007, 06:46 AM
- - djellison   Twice this thread has entered tin-foil hat ground....   Jan 20 2007, 04:10 PM


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