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What will happen to the Martian program if there's another lander failure?
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post Feb 6 2007, 08:27 PM
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Well, that's a tough question. What will happen, for example if Mars Phoenix fails to touch down successfully? Maybe I look a bit pessimistic, but I like to think in perspective. I think that:

1.If MSL managers give up the skycrane and decide to use Phoenix-like pinpoint landing system, it will effectively move the launch date from 2009 to 2011. Since there's no NASA orbiter planned for launch in 2009, maybe we won't have a new spacecraft then.

2. It will end the scout program or... the next scout mission will be a simple orbiter.

3. There will be several small landers in future, using the good old airbag bouncing method.
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post Feb 8 2007, 07:32 AM
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Actually, using airbags is good for any experiments where hydrazine and other rocket exhaust end-products would contaminate the ground and make it more difficult to find what you're looking for in the soils around the lander. As it is, Phoenix data will have to be adjusted somewhat to filter out the observed effects of rocket exhaust on the soils that will be studied.

The odd part of this equation is that you want soils undisturbed by rocket exhaust for your heavier landers, while you're not nearly as concerned about the issue if you're just deploying things like seismometers and weather stations. So, in that regard, rocket landers are more appropriate for netlander-style small stations, while airbags are more suited to larger payloads. Unfortunately, the physics and engineering of the landing systems are exactly the reverse, with airbags more suited to small landers and rocket-assisted landings more suited for large, complex landers.

I think the solution is basically to make large landers which would benefit from undisturbed soils at least somewhat mobile. The problem there is that you spend an awful lot of your mass budget making your probe mobile, which means you have less mass than you'd like for experiments.

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- Zvezdichko   What will happen to the Martian program if there's another lander failure?   Feb 6 2007, 08:27 PM
- - djellison   The next Mars Scout is going to be an orbtier anyw...   Feb 6 2007, 08:46 PM
|- - Zvezdichko   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 6 2007, 08:46 PM) ...   Feb 6 2007, 08:56 PM
- - djellison   MSL is a retrorocket landing. Doug   Feb 6 2007, 08:58 PM
|- - Zvezdichko   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 6 2007, 08:58 PM) ...   Feb 6 2007, 09:05 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Feb 6 2007, 09:05 PM)...   Feb 6 2007, 09:18 PM
- - MarkL   Pathfinder and then two MER landings demonstrated ...   Feb 6 2007, 09:01 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (MarkL @ Feb 6 2007, 02:01 PM) With...   Feb 6 2007, 09:16 PM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (tuvas @ Feb 6 2007, 09:16 PM) I...   Feb 7 2007, 12:56 AM
|- - Pavel   QUOTE (MarkL @ Feb 6 2007, 04:01 PM) If s...   Feb 7 2007, 12:09 AM
- - Zvezdichko   Isn't right that the MPL landing profile was c...   Feb 6 2007, 09:20 PM
- - djellison   Technically the MPL landing design was chosen in t...   Feb 6 2007, 09:22 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Hm, that was interesting for me to know It seems...   Feb 6 2007, 09:27 PM
- - dvandorn   Also, from what I've read, the airbag concept ...   Feb 6 2007, 09:30 PM
- - Zvezdichko   This reminds me of the film The Red Planet. I supp...   Feb 6 2007, 09:34 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Feb 6 2007, 02:34 PM)...   Feb 8 2007, 03:16 PM
- - djellison   Furthermore - can you imagine having to use a larg...   Feb 7 2007, 07:26 AM
|- - Zvezdichko   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 7 2007, 07:26 AM) ...   Feb 7 2007, 04:17 PM
- - MarkL   The question will really only be answered after th...   Feb 7 2007, 02:39 PM
- - djellison   If you're evolving power, instruments, movilit...   Feb 7 2007, 03:02 PM
- - djellison   Beagle 2 was designed to detach from the airbags e...   Feb 7 2007, 04:20 PM
- - Zvezdichko   I'd like to raise another question. Smart Land...   Feb 7 2007, 04:33 PM
- - djellison   No - MER had no means to avoid hazards. The dece...   Feb 7 2007, 04:49 PM
- - MarkL   Obstacle avoidance is difficult since the lander h...   Feb 7 2007, 06:01 PM
- - nprev   Really good idea, Mark, but you're right...pro...   Feb 8 2007, 01:53 AM
- - dvandorn   Actually, using airbags is good for any experiment...   Feb 8 2007, 07:32 AM
- - djellison   The good stuff Phoenix is after is 10's of CM...   Feb 8 2007, 08:15 AM
- - Zvezdichko   My idea about the airbag landing was much differen...   Feb 8 2007, 04:16 PM
- - djellison   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Feb 8 2007, 04:16 PM)...   Feb 8 2007, 04:33 PM


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