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What will happen to the Martian program if there's another lander failure? |
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Feb 6 2007, 08:27 PM
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Well, that's a tough question. What will happen, for example if Mars Phoenix fails to touch down successfully? Maybe I look a bit pessimistic, but I like to think in perspective. I think that:
1.If MSL managers give up the skycrane and decide to use Phoenix-like pinpoint landing system, it will effectively move the launch date from 2009 to 2011. Since there's no NASA orbiter planned for launch in 2009, maybe we won't have a new spacecraft then. 2. It will end the scout program or... the next scout mission will be a simple orbiter. 3. There will be several small landers in future, using the good old airbag bouncing method. |
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| Guest_Zvezdichko_* |
Feb 8 2007, 04:16 PM
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My idea about the airbag landing was much different. A crew can't survive an airbag landing, but could this be used as a backup system during unmanned landing? For example, Phoenix:
1. Parachute deployment- nominal. 2. Heat shield separation - nominal. 3. Separation of the lander from the aeroshel - nominal. 4. Ignition of the hydrazine engines - not nominal then switching to a backup system. Ejection of the landing legs+ engines then airbag inflating... The main problem will be all that weight. |
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Feb 8 2007, 04:33 PM
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The main problem will be all that weight. Well - the mass of the airbags would rule out every iota of instrumentation, communications hardware...everything. It doesn't even begin to make sense. Better to invest the time, money, volume in making the primary landing system reliable. Hell - if your airbags would work for a phoenix like lander - why take the thrusters and hydrazine at all? If your backup is going to be perfectly reliable when called upon - then why have the primary? Better is the enemy of good enough. Doug |
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Zvezdichko What will happen to the Martian program if there's another lander failure? Feb 6 2007, 08:27 PM
djellison The next Mars Scout is going to be an orbtier anyw... Feb 6 2007, 08:46 PM
Zvezdichko QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 6 2007, 08:46 PM) ... Feb 6 2007, 08:56 PM
djellison MSL is a retrorocket landing.
Doug Feb 6 2007, 08:58 PM
Zvezdichko QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 6 2007, 08:58 PM) ... Feb 6 2007, 09:05 PM
djellison QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Feb 6 2007, 09:05 PM)... Feb 6 2007, 09:18 PM
MarkL Pathfinder and then two MER landings demonstrated ... Feb 6 2007, 09:01 PM
tuvas QUOTE (MarkL @ Feb 6 2007, 02:01 PM) With... Feb 6 2007, 09:16 PM

tedstryk QUOTE (tuvas @ Feb 6 2007, 09:16 PM) I... Feb 7 2007, 12:56 AM
Pavel QUOTE (MarkL @ Feb 6 2007, 04:01 PM) If s... Feb 7 2007, 12:09 AM
Zvezdichko Isn't right that the MPL landing profile was c... Feb 6 2007, 09:20 PM
djellison Technically the MPL landing design was chosen in t... Feb 6 2007, 09:22 PM
Zvezdichko Hm, that was interesting for me to know
It seems... Feb 6 2007, 09:27 PM
dvandorn Also, from what I've read, the airbag concept ... Feb 6 2007, 09:30 PM
Zvezdichko This reminds me of the film The Red Planet. I supp... Feb 6 2007, 09:34 PM
tuvas QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Feb 6 2007, 02:34 PM)... Feb 8 2007, 03:16 PM
djellison Furthermore - can you imagine having to use a larg... Feb 7 2007, 07:26 AM
Zvezdichko QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 7 2007, 07:26 AM) ... Feb 7 2007, 04:17 PM
MarkL The question will really only be answered after th... Feb 7 2007, 02:39 PM
djellison If you're evolving power, instruments, movilit... Feb 7 2007, 03:02 PM
djellison Beagle 2 was designed to detach from the airbags e... Feb 7 2007, 04:20 PM
Zvezdichko I'd like to raise another question. Smart Land... Feb 7 2007, 04:33 PM
djellison No - MER had no means to avoid hazards. The dece... Feb 7 2007, 04:49 PM
MarkL Obstacle avoidance is difficult since the lander h... Feb 7 2007, 06:01 PM
nprev Really good idea, Mark, but you're right...pro... Feb 8 2007, 01:53 AM
dvandorn Actually, using airbags is good for any experiment... Feb 8 2007, 07:32 AM
djellison The good stuff Phoenix is after is 10's of CM... Feb 8 2007, 08:15 AM![]() ![]() |
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